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have got a pic of a gravestone in Newtown.,Carlow.

I am tracing the ancestry of my husband

His paternal side is Curran...his maternal side is Aughney.

I was intrigued to see this headstone...

In Loving Memory of CATHERINE CURRAN..Newtown.,died 14th Oct.1967,aged 83yrs.

also MICHAEL AUGHNEY..Newtown.,died 16th Oct.1970,aged 56 yrs.

and EILEEN AUGHNEY.,died 15th March 1989,aged 78 yrs.

I would love to know how Aughneys and Curran are buried in same grave.

could they be somehow related before Leos' father John Curran m. Margaret Mary Aughney?

familysearch has only one possible connection but it doesn't look very close

name: Elizabeth Aughey
gender: Female
birth date: 12 Mar 1879
birthplace: Antrim, Ireland
father's name: Robert Aughey
> mother's name: Isabella Curran Aughey
indexing project (batch) number: C01004-6
system origin: Ireland-EASy
source film number: 256020

from the ages on the gravestones it looks like Catherine Curran could be mother of Eileen Aughney, she is wife of Michael ?

death certificates might tell you something



name: Michael Aughney
registration district: Carlow
event type: BIRTHS
registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1914
volume number: 3
page number: 313
digital folder number: 4194694


name: Michael Aughney
registration district: Carlow
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1949
volume number: 3
page number: 249
digital folder number: 4200213


yes I was right :-)

name: Kathleen Curran
registration district: Carlow
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1949
volume number: 3
page number: 249
digital folder number: 4200213

matches the marriage for Michael Aughney

no wait, Catherine was the mother

well it looks like Michael married a Kathleen anyway ! or he could be a different Michael Aughney but in any case there is a Curran Aughney connection of some sort ...


name: Kathleen Curran
registration district: Carlow
event type: BIRTHS
registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1915
volume number: 3
page number: 300
digital folder number: 4194695

well leos eldest brother was born in 1922,so his mum and dad Mgt. Mary Aughney and John Curran must have married before that.

Leos' 2 brothers married 2 sisters and their first cousin m. their sister.

my sister-in-law was baptised Catherine but known as Kathleen.

only Michael Aughney i know of who was married to a Catherine,was the one b.1859!

don't know Catherines' maiden name yet,but am awaiting birth cert for their dau.Catherine,so should find out when i get it.

i have written down 3 pages of Curran baptisms,from diff. parishes round and about Boherduff/Newtown/Dunleckny.areas...will now sit and search through to see can i find parents for Kathleen(Catherine?)Curran.

thnx for the info Chrissiex..i really do appreciate it.

re the headstone..Catherine Curran d.Oct.1967.,aged 83...making her b.1884/5.

in house 13,Boherduff,in 1911 census,lives Katie(Catherine?)Curran,aged 26(making her born c1885)

she living with her parents John(64)and Kate(61).,brothers James(28),Patrick(24),John(19)and Denis(17).

also living with them is "relative" Annie Curran(66)down as farmers dau.(John snrs sister?)

could this Catherine be the one on the gravestone?

I wondered about that Katie too

that is her birth name of course


name: Catherine Curran
registration district: Carlow
event type: BIRTHS
registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1884
volume number: 3
page number: 351
digital folder number: 4193461


there's a Katie Curran marriage in 1921 in Carlow
and a Catherine Curran marriage in 1928 in Carlow

so neither one would have died as Curran

oops....never thought of the name change with marriage!

i thought maybe she hadnt married....one or two of the women in the family didnt marry.

if Curran was her married name,why isn't her husband buried with her?

if he had been killed in irish uprising in 1916(i think)or WW1,wouldnt his name still be on headstone,even tho there no body buried there?I've seen on graves where it says ILM of someone,maybe in America.

will look on Anc. to see were there any Currans killed in WW!.

worth a shot.

Elaine.....Given Cath.was buried first (1967) that would indicate it was a "Curran Grave"...could be other Currans were buried there earlier but no "Headstone" was in place...
You may find the info.your after by checking out the obits.for all of them...
The Nationalist /Carlow People archives may have them ...The Nationalist only comes out on a Wed.if my memory serves me well.
You can also try St Andrews or St Pats.both cover Newtown....St Andrews "Archives" (on line) only go back to early 2000.

Are the Nationalist/.Carlow People archives online?

where are St.Andrews and St.Patricks?...round Leighlinbridge?

but if Currans were already buried there,would they not put their names on when the headstone was erected?

i looked at Irishmen killed in WW1,and living in the proximity of Carlow...found 3>>Pte.Edward Curran.,no.3748.,b.Abbeyleix.

Pte.Michael Curran.,no.6619.,b.Waterford.

Pte.Patrick Francis Curran.,no.T(territorial?)307818.,place of birth not given.

could maybe one of these have married Catherine?

i seem to be chasing mi tail at the minute!

Elaine...The Nat./ and Carlow People only have limited (recent) online archives...You have to bear in mind all this online stuff only came to the fore in the last say..8-10 years....even more recent in some cases...

You would have to find out when and who put up the headstone to answer the question about other possible burials and why their names (if any) were not on the stone....
Often it was a case of cost ...also of space ....
I would be after looking at Eileens first as she was last buried (that you know of)...How old is the photo..?

i don't know...a peter curran who( we understand )shares some past relatives with us,went to the graveyard in Newtown,and took pics of Curran and Aughney graves....we were in the same graveyard in Aug.,cos when we down there,we always take flowers to leos' mum and dads' grave,but we never thought of rambling round seeking family names!

the inscription on the headstone is as i put in the post yesterday at 14:07.

also at the bottom...PJ ABBEY(the stonemason?)and MYSHALL.

the writing is the same for all three people,so it looks like they were all written at the same time,or,the same man added the names in 1967.,1970 and 1989.

the only reason i took any notice was because we lost mi dad in Jan.,and when his name was put on the headstone,it differed from the writing of mi mums.

when we asked,we were told that in 1987,the letters were cut by hand,but now they are machine cut.

if i could find out the tel.no. for PJ Abbey and rang them,would they be at liberty to tell me who put up the headstone?

don't know bout the cost issue,but there's enough room for at least 2,if not 3 names and details.

same with the newspaper...would they keep their own archives,and would they be able to tell me?

don't suppose it would do any good to write to the Nationalist,and ask if anyone knows who erected the headstone in Newtown?

there may be probable relatives who have lost touch with the family.

Marraige of Michael Aughney to K(C)athleen Curran on the 20th April 1949 in Church of Bagnalstown, Carlow.
They were both full age,
Michael was Labourer Bathelor. from Boherduff, Father John.
Kathleen Curran was full age Spinster. from Shangarry, Myshall. No Fathers name on Cert.
Witnesses were Edward and Christina Aughney.
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Birth (possibly Michaels)
Michael Aughney Born 26th April 1914,
Father John
Mother Mary Anne nee Larkin
Address, Kildrenagh.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Birth.
Catherine 1st. September 1897.
Father Michael Aughney Labourer.
Mother Catherine nee Byrne
Address, Fachel??? Newtown, Carlow.
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Birth
K(C)athleen Curran.
Father Michael
Mother Margaret nee Cooney.
Address, Ballykearney, Carlow.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

i received the above details from my friend in Dublin..am awaiting the certs.

i have a theory(right or wrong?its no wonder its difficult to trace the family,when we have a John Curran(father Michael) m. to Margaret Mary Aughney.

now we've got a Michael Aughney(father John) m.to Kathleen(Catherine?)Curran!!!

between the Michaels.,the Johns.,the Catherines.,the Charles.,etc...it is very confusing!!

the Catherine b.1897 was Leos' Aunty Katie...she married Michael McEvoy,had a daughter,Marion(Molly)and they lived in Connecticut.US.

the Michael b.1914,seems to be the Michael Aughney(d.oct.1970,aged 56)... on the headstone in Newtown graveyard,along with Catherine Curran.d.1967.,aged 83yrs and Eileen Aughney,d.mar.1989.,aged 78 yrs.

could Michael have been illigitimate?

that would explain why there wasn't a husband buried with her..Michael her son(?)and Eileen his wife?

my sister-in-law seemed to get facts mixed up a bit,but the right names,if you know what i mean?

she told me that Jackie(John?) Aughney m. Bridget Byrne and her sister Katie(Catherine Byrne) m.Mick Thomson!

she also thought that John Aughney m.either Mary-Ann McEvoy

OR Mary-Ann Larkin!!

haha..found a grave in Newtown graveyard...MICK AUGHNEY(Lumclone.,Fenagh)late of the bog.,Newtown.,d.Mar.1993.aged 52 yrs....also his mother BRIGID AUGHNEY,d.Mar.2001,aged 82....also his father,JACK AUGHNEY,d.may,2002,aged 91 yrs.
)!

just received some more certs,and was upset to find that Leos' gt g/dad died at the age of 80,in the Workhouse.,Carlow.

what an awful way to go.

got more certs...The Michael Aughney b.1914,was the son of John Aughney(the brother of my late mother-in-law,Margaret Mary)and Mary Anne Aughney(nee Larkin)..at the time they lived in Kildrenagh.,Bagenalstown.,Carlow.

this Michael married Kathleen(Catherine?)Curran on 20th April 1949.in Muinbeag(?).,Bagenalstown.

Michaels' address at the time was Boherduff,and Kathleens' address was Shangarry(?)Myshall.

also have a birth cert. for Catherine Aughney.,b 1897...father Michael Aughney..mother Catherine(nee Byrne)..living in Newtown.

I have this Catherine down as b 1898(but dates can vary i understand)..she was my husbands' a.Katie,and she married Michael McEvoy and had a daughter,Marion(Molly)..they went to live in Connecticut.,U.S.My husband got clothes parcels sent to Ireland from her(this was in the late 1940s)

I would love to go even further back in the family,but don't really know how to now....have got Cathrines' grandfather and grandmother(John Aughney...blind.,and Alicia Aughney) living with her,her parents and siblings at house 2.,Newtown in 1901 census,but cant find out Alicias' maiden name,nor anything about the blind John.

I would appreciate someone taking a quick look,to see if you could help.

thankyou.x

nudge

Mo Chara Elaine...

You havent been around for a while..!!

If you get Alicia's Death Cert it surely will give you her maiden name..thought you already had it..

Alicia Aughney
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth: 1821
death: Apr - Jun 1901 Carlow

we had a worrying few months Eringobragh,my husband now got his date for eye field test,26th july...if he doesnt pass,he won't be able to drive...not had too much interest in GR(or anything else,for that matter)

no,I don't have alicias' death cert...where would i write to for a copy please? :-)

just checked my Aughney folder...I HAVE a copy of Alicias' death cert,but ther no mention of her maiden name...she just down as Alicia Aughney.,d 26th May 1907..f..married..age last birthday 80...wife of a farmer...cause of death ,general debility for 3 weeks...informant Catherine Aughney,daughter-in-law.,present at death.,Newtown.

anyone able to offer me some advice on tracing early(ish)Irish ancestry please?

have John Curran,b1892 m. Margaret Aughney,b1901

his father,Michael Curran,b1849 m.Eliza Lakes

his father Charles Curran(b.c1820??) m Mary Murphy(??)

his father Patrick Curran,1785-1841,m Mary Barron,1787-1875

his father John Curran,1751-1841

must have got these facts from some site or other,but can't for the life of me think where!

would love to find who John married,and who his parents were.

please take a look,especially if you know about Irish Ancestry

thankyou

Elaine. :-)

Mo Chara Elaine....

Am confused...

You have the all details of John and and who his parents and g.parents were etc. You have just posted them above..!!!

You originally got some of your info from somebody's tree...the rest from Carlow IGP and then a friend went and got some more for you in Dublin...dont know if you ever got anyhting from your posting on Rootschat..

Hope Leo's appt goesokay...

Now who are we after looking for...!!!

my husbands' gt gt gt grandfathers parentage....the john who was b in 1751 and died in 1841!

thnx for the good wishes.x

will got back to Carlow IGP and take another look

the friend in dublin got me copies of certs but only as far back as the birth certs of Michael Currans' children(Leos' dad,uncle and aunts

must have been peter Curran,who gave me the other info

mi heads all over the place lately!

was nothing on rootschat last time i looked...will check again tho