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I cannot find the surname of the bride.
George Thomas Richmond married 1852 Lewisham London
to Fanny Elizabeth ****** (found surname Minter/but there twice) ? on Free BMD
Found in census info in Wales and England over the years
Fanny is said to be born 1836 London in all the censuses.
She died 1907 West Derby Lancs.
I do not know who her parents are.
The first child was Sarah Ann Emma Richmond b. 2 May 1853
Some of the boys were called George, Josiah, William
Thanks in advance for any help
Looked on Ancestry.. it was not found on a few trees posted their either...
BL

wrong place and date but ????

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about George Thomas Richmond
Name: George Thomas Richmond
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1859
Marriage Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Spouse: Fanny Elizabeth Miller
FHL Film Number: 1564137

Why not send for the marriage cert????

the 1852 marriage


Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First Name GEORGE THOMAS
Last Name RICHMOND
Year 1852
Event Quarter 2
Spouse -
Country England
County London
District LEWISHAM
Volume 1D
Page 832
Line Number 4
Potential Spouse Names HANNAH BLAYNEY, ELIZA MILLARD
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

I may have to send for the certificate... Thought I would try here first...

Marriages Jun 1852
Richmond George Thomas Lewisham 1d 832

????

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
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First Name SARAH
Last Name RICHMOND
Mother's Maiden Name -
Year 1854
Event Quarter 2
Month of Registration -
Country England
County London
District LEWISHAM
Volume 1D
Page 614
Line Number 24
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

BUT this one has the full name

Births Jun 1853
RICHMOND Sarah Ann Emma Ashton 8d 396

Maddie's already shown Fanny Elizabeth wasn't the bride in 1852?

Freebmd has a bride missing:

Marriages Jun 1852
Blayney Hannah Lewisham 1d 832 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Richmond George Thomas Lewisham 1d 832 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Wells George Alfred Lewisham 1d 832

But there is an extra bride on this page, so looks like a 3 was read as a 5:

Marriages Jun 1852
Kerr Jane Lewisham 1d 852
Kerr Jane Newington 1d 852
Leslie Robert Lewisham 1d 852
Millard Eliza Lewisham 1d 852 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Smith Eliza Lewisham 1d 852
Staning Edward Lewisham 1d 852

Kucinta.... good sleuthing! Maybe it is Eliza Millard... I will see if I can find
her in the 1851 census...

Can't take the credit, Maddie had already provided the info that it's either Eliza Millard or Hannah Blayney, who was the bride in 1852.

I'm still wondering whether the Walthamstow 1859 marriage Maddie posted is correct, and Fanny Elizabeth was actually G T's second wife?

what bothers me is the jump from fanny elizabeth to eliza

eg
1871

First Name FANNY E
Last Name RICHMOND
Relationship WIFE
Condition -
Gender Female
Age 35
Occupation -
Year Of Birth 1836
Birth Town -
Birth Place -
Birth County MIDDLESEX
House Number -
House Name -
Street CANTON STREET
Parish EVERTON
Town -
City LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Registration District WEST DERBY
Archive Reference RG10
Piece Number 3821
Folio 17
Page 26
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain

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Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth
ADA RICHMOND DAUGHTER 7 1864
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ANA RICHMOND DAUGHTER 9 1862
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FANNY E RICHMOND DAUGHTER 10 1861
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GEO RICHMOND HEAD 43 1828
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GEORGE RICHMOND SON 6 1865
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JOSIAH RICHMOND SON 4 1867
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KATE RICHMOND DAUGHTER 2 1869

how was the 1852 marriage arrived at ????????????

found a couple of possibilities but not certain.

Baptism of Sarah

Name: Sarah Ann Emma Richmond
Birth Date: 2 May 1853
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1853
Parish: Audenshaw, St Stephen
Parish as it Appears: Audenshaw
Father's Name: George Thomas Richmond
Mother's name: Eliza Richmond<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Reference Number: L199/1/1/1

found the marriage on Free BMD as someone already found in an above post...
yes the first name from Fanny Elizabeth to Eliza.... makes me wonder..

looks like he married twice

I agree with Maggie, looks like two marriages?

Note in Sarah Ann Emma Richmond's baptism I posted earlier, mother was Eliza.

This child looks to be named for mother Fanny Elizabeth:

First Name FANNY ELIZABETH
Last Name RICHMOND
Country Wales
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
County Monmouthshire
Year 1860
Mother's Given Name Fanny Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's First Name George Thomas
First Names Fanny Elizabeth
Year Of Birth 1860
Place NEWPORT, ST PAUL
Baptism Day 21
Baptism Month Oct
Baptism Year 1860
Birth Day -

There is a bit of a gap in births, too:

Census 1861

Household Members:
Name Age
Geo Thos Richmond 33
Fanny E Richmond 25
Sarah A E Richmond 7
Elizabeth Richmond 6
Fanny E Richmond 6/12

Interestingly, the two elder daughters were living with their aunt in census 1871. Any chance this might indicate they were 'Eliza's' daughters, not Fanny Elizabeth's, and she was happy to palm them off?

Name: Sarah A E Richmond
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Gulde Budhe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peters
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 381
Piece: 280
Folio: 53
Page Number: 58

Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah A Richmond 44 c1827 Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Sarah A E Richmond 17 niece c1854 Gulde Budhe, Lancashire, England<<<<<
Elizabeth Richmond 16 niece c1855 Carlisle, Cumberland, England<<<<<<

Thanks for your thoughts...