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Trying to find a Sidney Jones born in Wales in about 1900 - 1920 and died in Southall Middlesex in 1961, after he had an accident with a motor cycle. Looking for a birth and death certi.
Can any one help.

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get the death first, to find out his age

This sounds familiar............

How do you connect? Who told you he was killed in 1961?

Why are you so unsure of his birth year?

Did he father a child out of wedlock?

could this be sydney

Sydney J Jones
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:
Sydney J Jones
Event Type:
Death
Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:
1961
Registration District:
Hammersmith
County:
London
Event Place:
Hammersmith, London, England
Age (available after 1866):
61
Birth Year (Estimated):
1900
Volume:
5C
Page:
685
Line Number:
19

hi
there are no deaths for sydney in southall middlesex in 1962

Yes, it rings a bell with me too, but I can't find the thread

Hi Jacqueline,
My Auntie Lillian was living with Sidney and his adopted daughter Iris. Lillian had his baby out of wedlock. My close relations have told us he died in 1961 after a motor cycle accident .
Lillian had known him for a couple years. He worked at Firestone with my Grandad.
But no one seems to know his age.

You have posted about this before, haven't you?

There is NO evidence to support the story about his death

BUT..........you can look yourself at freebmd...............no-one can do anything you can't in that regard

I do remember something very similar posted before.

What was Lilian's surname?

What address were they living at- have you found them on the electoral registers together?

I was looking for a cousin who was adopted and i found her, now looking Sidney Jones, her dad.
Her maiden name was Wilder then Pitcher.
29 Hilary Road, Southall

You have been advised where to look

The child's home address may have no bearing whatsoever on the location of her father's alleged accidental death

Addresses can be very important.

Doesn't look like he died in 1961- he's still listed at Hillary Road, Southall in 1964 (only adult registered there):

Electoral Register: 1964

29 Hillary Road,
County or Borough: Ealing
Ward or Division/Constituency: Southall

Sidney Jones
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Also registered there in 1959 &1961 & 1963 (only adult registered)
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No idea if this is related, but given that Lilian's maiden name is Wilder, I'll put it up just in case:

1951
24a Spencer Street, Southall
Louisa Jones
Sidney Jones

and then these people living next door:

1951
26 Spencer Street, Southall
Vera Wilder
Walter Wilder

Well, why am I not surprised?

Vera & Walter were there auntie & Uncle

So it's possible that the Sidney who's living with a Louisa and living next door to Vera and Walter in 1951 could be the same Sidney that your Lilian had a child with.

Sydney and Louisa Jones are living next door to the Wilders from 1947- 1954. Walter and Vera then move to 111 Lady Margaret Road, Ealing, Southall.

Edit: I think it is the same Sidney, as I now have him in 1958 living with Louisa at 29 Hillary Road. Louisa is not living with him in 1959.

OK, have found him- he died in 1965. This is the entry in the Will Calenders:

Sidney Jones of 29 Hillary Road, Southall, 23 April 1965 at West Middlesex Hospital Isleworth Middlesex. Administration (limited) Carmarthen 8th June to Elizabeth Anne Gwendoline Sherlock widow & Margaret Jane Phillips married woman. £581.

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=jones&yearOfDeath=1965&page=98#calendar

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death registration:
First name(s) SIDNEY
Last name JONES
Gender Male
Birth year 1902
Age 63
Death quarter 2
Death year 1965
District HOUNSLOW
County Middlesex
Volume 5C
Page 508

Using the Volume and Page number you can order the death certificate from the GRO: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

This is Sidney with his family in 1911: (the ladies mentioned in the will calender were his sisters)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bethania Terrace Llanelly, Llanelly Urban, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Henry Jones Head Married Male 34 1877 Carmarthen Llanelly Dock Labourer
Mary Ann Jones Wife Married Female 35 1876 Carmarthen Cwmman -
David James Jones Son - Male 10 1901 Carmarthen Llanelly School
Sidney Jones Son - Male 8 1903 Carmarthen Llanelly School
Elizabeth Ann Gwen Jones Daughter - Female 6 1905 Carmarthen Llanelly School
Margaret Jane Jones Daughter - Female 4 1907 Carmarthen Llanelly School
Hilda Maud Jones Daughter - Female 2 1909 Carmarthen Llanelly
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Sidney married in 1934- this was the woman he lived with until 1958:

Marriage:
name(s) SIDNEY JONES
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1934
Spouse: LOUISA GRIFFITHS
District LLANELLY
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A Page 2713

Details for Sidney's sister, Elizabeth A G Jones:

Birth:
name(s) ELIZABETH ANN G JONES
Birth year 1904
Birth quarter 2
District LLANELLY
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A Page 1193

First Marriage:
Name: Elizabeth A G Jones
Spouse : Albert R Thomas
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Registration district: Llanelly
Inferred County: Carmarthenshire
Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 2513

Second marriage:
Name: Elizabeth A G Thomas
Spouse : David T Sherlock
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration district: Llanelly
Inferred County: Carmarthenshire
Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 3105

Death:
name(s) ELIZABETH ANN G SHERLOCK
Gender Female
Birth: 2 May 1904
Death quarter 2
Death year 1999
District LLANELLY
District number 8201B
Register number B32E
Entry number 021
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales