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Here's that Margaret Annie in 1911:

VEVERS, James Toward Head Married M 29 1882 Labourer Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Mary Ethel Wife Married10 years F 28 1883 Lead Gate Durham
VEVERS, Margaret Annie Daughter Single F 9 1902 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, Walter Son Single M 6 1905 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, William Son Single M 4 1907 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, Maud Daughter Single F 2 1909 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne

RG number: RG14 Piece: 30539
Reference: RG14PN30539 RG78PN1751 RD558 SD1 ED1 SN115
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Benwell
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Benwell

Address: 27 Elm St Fenham Newcastle-Upon-Tyne County: Northumberland

I see her father's middle name is Toward so there must be a connection.

EDIT: Of course there's a connection! This must be the James that is on the 1901.

I see that on the marriage record, Vivers has been mistranscribed as Vevrs.
is it possible that Mary was baptised Margaret after her mother?.
There´s a Margaret Annie Vevers b 1st quarter 1903 in Newcastle.

Although, on 1911, Margaret says she has borne a child during the marriage, it may be that Mary was not their natural daughter.

This is the child born 1900................regardless of speculation about naming patterns, she is NOT the child being sought

1901 Scotland Census

Name: Mary Vivers
Age: 8 Moths
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Robert Vivers
Mother's Name: Maggie Cook Vivers
Gender: Female
Where born: Ruthwell, dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 882
Registration district: Troqueer
Civil parish: Troqueer
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Terregles Road Lockfield
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1901_440
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Vivers 26
Maggie Cook Vivers 27
James Vivers 4
Lizzie Vivers 3
Mary Vivers 8 Months

They are living at the same address in both 1901 and 1911.......so there's no logical reason to suppose that any child of the marriage was born anywhere else.

1911 England Census

Name: Mary Vevers
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: NC, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Sheraton St
Occupation: School
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 30558
Household Members:
Name Age
William Vevers 58 born Carlisle
Marget Vevers 54
Mary Vevers 10


1901 England Census about Margaret Vevers
Name: Margaret Vevers
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Vevers
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England


Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 4779
Folio: 13
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
William Vevers 49
Margaret Vevers 44
James Vevers 20

A child aged 10 on 1911 census should appear on the 1901 census, unless he/she was born on 1st or 2nd April 1901

Hi everyone,
Sorry about the errors in my messages. I was badly in need of sleep when I wrote those posts. It was after midnight here when I wrote them, which is 1pm your time - I'm in NZ.

Mary was was born in 1901 in Newcastle. On the 1911 Census she is shown with William, Margaret and her half brother James Toward - my grandfather. ( His Mother, Bridget nee Tarpey - is someone else who is apparently still alive today - can't find her Death either...)

I'd already discounted Mary Edward Cook Vivers as the 2 middle names don't tie in with anyone with those names, (even if Vevers is spelled differently), as they normally have ties to other family members?

I've also looked for a Death for Mary and a Marriage, but drew a blank there too.
Might have to revisit the Death and Marriage lists again in case anything new has been put on.

Thanks for your interest, I truly appreciate it.

Joy :-)

1900 Mary Edward Cook VIVERS born Ruthwell, Dumfries 846/00 0011

Index search on SP. Needs 5 credits to view full document if this might be her.

Malcolm.
You´re right. I´ve just checked the censuses & Mary aged 10 appears on the 1911 with William & Margaret. Married 15 years, 1 child born, 1 child living.
On the 1901 they have James Vevers aged 20 living with them, presumably William´s son from a previous marriage.

If William & Margaret weren´t married until 1896 & Mary was born in 1891, surely she was the child of William´s previous wife.
Is this one any help?
Mary Eleanor Vevers b 4th quarter 1892 Newcastle upon Tyne.

Surely you mean the 1911 census. If not, why are you searching 1896 to 1906 if she was born in 1891. Also, if she appears in a census her place of birth should be shown.

EDIT: re-reading your previous posts, it is still not 100% clear when she was born...it seems to be 1891 thus her birth place should appear in the 1901 census record even if it's only England or Scotland (or elsewhere)

Hi Reggie, here's what I have. I should warn you that I have been helped before on this site, but nobody could solve the puzzle for me...

I'm looking for Mary, Daughter of William Vevers and Margaret Vevers, nee Little.

On the 1901 Census Mary is 10yrs old born in Newcastle upon Tyne. I have searched all the English births from 1896 to 1906, to be on the safe side, but I cannot find a Mary Vevers that fits anywhere - and I've tried variations of the Surname.

William was born in Cumberland and Margaret was born in Cannonbie, Scotland, that's why I was seeing if the Mary on the Scottish Site could have been mine because of the Scottish connection? Thought Margaret may have gone back home for the birth?

William and Margaret were married 1896 and living in Newcastle. This was Williams 3rd Marriage.

I've been looking for Mary for a few years now and keep going back to her, but up to now no luck..

Cheers. Joy.

If you tell us who you're looking for, with accurate date info it may be possible to help

Scottish census transcripts are on Ancestry

Thanks for your help people.

I finally managed to get a look at the Census for both a Mary Vevers and a John Vevers. Unfortunately the Mary I was looking for wasn't the one on the Census. Her grandfather John was correct though, but Mary wasn't with him at that time anyway, so another blank!

So the Brick Wall is still standing...

Thanks again.

Joy

I'll do that now. Thanks for your help.

Joy.

You can't find on the 1891 census a person born in 1895

What/who are you actually looking for?

Contact the site and advise them of the problem with viewing the image

As you know, it is not a subscription site, so anyone looking would have to use - and lose - credits. And would probably get the same 'grey' page as you............

Sorry, just realised that it should be the 1891 Census. Mary was born in 1895. Slip of the finger.

Joy

Thanks for your reply.

I've clicked on Viewed Images and found that O.K. but when I click on View beside Mary's name I get the Grey page again?

I was sort of expecting to be shown a page with Mary and her family on it, like on the English Census pages?

Joy.

1895 census ?

If you have paid to do a search then you can still view the results

Top of screen - under Viewed Images