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I am looking for information on Ann Ireland Petch born in 1846 in Northumberland. She was a domestic servant and had a son James Petch born 17 August 1877 in Newcastle upon Tyne, he was in the Middlesborough Union Workhouse as an orphan on the 1891 census, he changed his name to Woodman but i don't know when. Any information on him or his mother or father would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks

Hello Mandy, welcome to the community boards.

Seeing as you have an exact date of birth for James does that mean you have his birth certificate? If so, could you give us all of the information from it?

What information do you have to support that James changed his surname to Woodman?

Background on his mother:

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Ann Ireland Petch
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1846
Baptism Place: St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: Thomas Petch
Mother: Susanna Luisa Petch
FHL Film Number: 1564925
Reference ID: item 1 p 9

Possibly her father's baptism:

Thomas Petch, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Thomas Petch
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Nov 1815
Christening Place: ALL SAINTS CARLISLE ST FORMERLY IN SALLYPORT PRESBNE,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1815

Father's Name: John Petch
Mother's Name: Mariah Park

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08052-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0825354 (RG4 2863)

From FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/

Yes I do have his birth certificate.
He was born on 17 August 1877 at 19 Hill Street, Newcastle Upon Tyne. His mother is Ann Petch, the informant was his aunt Susannah Cooper who was present at the birth she lived at 38 Hindhough Street? Newcastle. The birth was registered on the 28th September 1877 in the sub district of westgate .

James Petch was my moms grandad who was woodman then but his birth certificate shows petch. On the 1891 census it shows hmi in the workhouse in the name of petch. Then he shows up again on the 1911 census as James Woodman married to my great gran Flora Ellen Woodman.

Was the birth cert handed down with his possessions?

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
RANDALL Flora Ellen King's N. 6c 711
Woodman James King's N. 6c 711

Do you have a copy of the above marriage cert?

First Name ANN IRELAND
Last Name PETCH
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition UNMARRIED
Gender Female
Age 5
Year Of Birth 1846
Occupation SCHOLAR
Birth Place -
Birth Town NEWCASTLE
Birth County NORTHUMBERLAND
House Number -
House Name -
Street WELLINGTON STREET
Parish WESTGATE
City -
County Northumberland
Hamlet -
Parliamentary Borough NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE
Municipal Ward -
Registration District NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 2404
Folio 128
Page 63
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
THOMAS PETCH HEAD 36 1815 NEWCASTLE Image Transcription
SUSANNA LOUISA PETCH WIFE 36 1815 BLANCHLAND Image Transcription
MARIA PARK PETCH DAUGHTER 10 1841 NEWCASTLE Image Transcription
SUSANNA LOUISA PETCH DAUGHTER 7 1844 NEWCASTLE Image Transcription
THOMAS PARK PETCH SON 2 1849 NEWCASTLE Image Transcription

Marriages Sep 1839 (>99%)

IRELAND Susanna Louisa Newcastle on Tyne 25 30
PETCH Thomas Newcastle on Tyne 25 302

1881

Name: Ann Petch
Age (Original): 35
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1846
Birthplace: Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cook (Dom)
Address: Station Hotel North Terr
Event Place: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342227
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5082 / 44
Page Number:

First Name SUSANNAH LOUISE
Last Name PETCH
Age At Death 63
Year 1882
Event Quarter 4
Year Of Birth 1819
District MIDDLESBROUGH
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 387
Line Number 74

19 hill street


William Clint, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: William Clint
Age (Original): 56
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1825
Birthplace: Gateshead, Durham, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Lithographic Printer
Address: 19 Hill St
Event Place: Westgate, Northumberland, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342217
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5048 / 32
Page Number: 58
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head William Clint M 56 Gateshead, Durham, England
Wife Ann Clint F 56 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Daughter Mary Clint F 16 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Nurse Child Jane Petch F 3 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England

James wasn't with his grandparents in 1881

Name: Susannah Petch
Age (Original): 66
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1815
Birthplace: Blanchland, Northumberland, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:
Address: 21 Hill St
Event Place: Westgate, Northumberland, England
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342217
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5048 / 32
Page Number: 58
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Petch M 65 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Wife Susannah Petch F 66 Blanchland, Northumberland, England
Grand Son Thomas Petch M 5 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Grand Son Bengamine Petch M 4 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England

Yes i believe his birth cert was handed down with his possessions, i believe what i have heard is that sometimes the workhouses change their names. I have the date for his marriage but not a copy of the certificate.

Thanks

First Name JAMES
Last Name PETCH
Relationship ORPHAN INMATE
Condition -
Gender Male
Year Of Birth 1878
Age 13
Occupation -
Birth Town -
Birth County NORTHUMBERLAND
Birth Place -
House Name -
Street -
Town LINTHORPE
Parish LINTHORPE
City MIDDLESBROUGH
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Registration District MIDDLESBROUGH
Vessel Name -
Archive Reference RG12
Piece Number 4014
Folio 156
Page 20

She was a cook at the station hotel in 1881

1881 England Census about Ann Petch
Name: Ann Petch
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle On Tyne
Civil Parish: Tynemouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: North Terr Station Hotel
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Cook (Dom)
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5082
Folio: 44
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Owen 47
Anne Little 41
Mary Leid 34
Ann Petch 35
Margaret Low 23
Margaret Malarkin 24
Thomas Freeman 26
Annie English 32
Samuel Barrow 30

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5082; Folio: 44; Page: 35; GSU roll: 1342227.

Thank you everyone for all the information, i have a lot of it already, but i would still like more if possible.

thanks

It would be a great help if anyone could tell me if Ann Petch married or when she died as she just vanished as did James between 1891 census and 1911 census.

Thanks :-)

I looked for a possible marriage but not seeing one or a death for her :-)

It seems that Ann Petch may have had a connection with Middlesbrough (where James was in the workhouse 1891) before he was born.

The Northern Echo of 25 April 1875 reports on an Ann Petch who was a Cook at the Queens Hotel, Middlesbrough who was charged with stealing 24lbs of dripping and sentenced to 14 days imprisonment. Also charged was a Thomas Brown who was a waiter at the same hotel.

Seeing as Ann Petch is a cook in hotels on the 1871 & 1881 census there's a good chance it's her.

There was also an Ann Petch born 1846 in Malton (not too far from Middlesbrough) but she appears to have married in 1870 so can probably be eliminated as the person in the newspaper article.

EDIT: Have sent Amanda the snip of the article by pm