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Hi Folks, l need help - for the past 2 years l have been trying to find information on my grandfather a JOHN WILLIAM BARNETT who married a FLORENCE MAY WEBB from Oldbury in the West Midlands. They married last quarter of 1921 - had a daughter in March 1922 and a son in 1929 ? I know my uncle was about 9 years old when he last knew of his father. My Grandmother told me he went to war one day and never came back. Cannot find any soldier regiment or a soldier number that may relate to him.

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Regards, :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Your Uncle's birth reg is in the last quarter of 1928, not that it makes a great deal of difference ;-)

Do you know your grandfather's date of birth? That might help pin down a UK death. If nothing else, his MC would give his declared age at the time of the marriage.

Assuming he did serve in the forces, his records would still be with the MOD and might show his intended address at demob, or the name of a new nok if he and his wife had seperated. You'd probably need his exact dob to have any chance of purchasing them. They cost £30 and you have to wait a number of months

This is the link for obtaining UK service records:
http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html

This looks promising

JOHN WILLIAM BARNETT

Rank:GunnerService No:5103648Date of Death:05/03/1943Age:36 Regiment/Service:Royal Artillery 21 Bty., 3 H.A.A. Regt. Panel Reference:Column 13.Memorial:SINGAPORE MEMORIALAdditional Information:

Husband of F. M. Barnett, of Ladywood, Birmingham<<<

While the above looks hopeful, the age doesn't quite fit with a man who married in 1921? Of course he may have lied about his age when he enlisted.

I wonder if that WW2 casualty was a professional soldier rather than a man who signed up at the start of the war?

Name: John William Barnett
Year: 1931
Ward or Division/Constituency: Absent Voters List
Street address: 144 Sand Pits
Residence Place: Birmingham


Do you have your grandparents marriage certificate please? That would give John's age and occupation.

Name: John William Barnett
Year: 1935
Ward or Division/Constituency: West Birmingham
Street address: 3 court 8 CAMDEN STREET
Residence Place: Birmingham

Also there Florence May Barnett

Back on the Absent Voters List

Name: John William Barnett
Year: 1939
Ward or Division/Constituency: Absent Voters List
Street address: 3 court ,8 Camden street
Residence Place: Birmingham

This is info on the same man Gins put up:

Royal Artillery Other Ranks: casualty cards 1939-1947
First name(s) John William
Last name Barnett
Place of Birth: Kidderminster, Worcester
Place of Domicile: Birmingham
Death year 1943
Death date on or about: 5 Mar 1943
Age: 36
Place of Death: At Sea
Cause of Death: Died while P.O.W
Theatre or Country where fatal wound sustained or death occurred: MALAYA
Service number 5103648
Regiment Royal Artillery
Record set Royal Artillery Other Ranks: casualty cards 1939-1947

Ages often vary

I think the WW11 record is correct


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-200

Name:Florence May Barnett

Birth Date:30 Mar 1899

Date of Registration:May 1992 Age at Death:
93
Registration district:Sandwell

Inferred County:West Midlands

Volume:3

Page:
1119

???

Births Jun 1908

Barnett John William ..........Kidderminster 6c 235

Possible marriage of the one who died 1943

Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)
Barnett John W Sherratt Birmingham 6d 1097

Sherratt Florence M Barnett Birmingham 6d 1097


Her birth??


Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Sherratt Florence M Birmingham 6d 113

Her death??


Name: Florence May Barnett
Birth Date: 8 Apr 1911
Date of Registration: Dec 1977
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Inferred County: Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 29
Page: 0034

John W Barnett married O/N/D 1921 West Bromwich to Florence M Webb 6b 1685.
Doesn't look like the one born Kidderminster

Maryb

This is possibly the John william Barnett who married in 1921
Name: John William Barnett
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: West Bromwich
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 793

If he was last seen before the war he could of just walked out on the family and perhaps changed his identity, or left the country

I now find you have asked a few times about him since 2008

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1308756

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1262340

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/history/barnett/thread/1029910

Start by finding out how old this man was when he married...........buy a copy of his marriage cert

You can't look for a death until you know when he was born

Come back when you have that info..............and don't - please - start any more threads

If you look at the links I posted Jacqueline....she has the marriage cert

The birth I posted above is the same one as 3 years ago

TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE SEARCHED FOR INFORMATION ON MY GRANDFATHER JOHN WILLIAM BARNETT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU.

To answer some of your replys - he was 25 years old when he married my grandmother Florence May webb who was 23 years old. Her date of birth is 30th March 1899 as Gins found for me. The Kidderminster info is not my family.

Once again thanks to those who have given me information - will follow them up.


Regards :-) <3 :-)