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I have, I believe found my Great Great Grandfather, Emanuel FERRIMAN (b.1813/15) Oxfordshire, I got the details from 1851 Census, but now cant find any other records online, no birth record etc and wouldlike to trace further back? Can anyone offer advice as to where my next port of call should be?

I think thisis probably him in 1841, though the age is out the occupation of tailor is the same

land Census about Emanuel Fenrman Ferriman on image
Name: Emanuel Fenrman
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Shipton Under Wychwood
Hundred: Chadlington
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Chipping Norton
Sub-registration district: Charlbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 879
Book: 13
Folio: 23
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Emanuel Fenrman 20
Charles Ferriman 35
Charles Ferriman 10
Samuel Ferriman 8
George Ferriman 5
Henry Ferriman 2
Elizabeth Ferriman 30
Faney Ferriman 20
Mary Shailor 20

Have you tried Family Search site for his baptism

1861 England Census about Emanuel Ferriman
Name: Emanuel Ferriman
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ferriman
Gender: Male
Where born: Leafield, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leafield
Ecclesiastical parish: Leafield and Wychwood
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address: On the green

Occupation:master tailor

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Chipping Norton
Sub-registration district: Charlbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 909
Folio: 60
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Emanuel Ferriman 46
Mary Ferriman 35
George Ferriman 13
Charles Ferriman 11
Albert Ferriman 9
Frederic Ferriman 6
Emanuel Ferriman 3
Philiss Ferriman 2

Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 909; Folio: 60; Page: 4; GSU roll: 542720.

Died after the 1861 census

Name: Emanuel Ferriman
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Page: 43

His wife remarried

Name: Phelle Ferriman
[Phyllis Ferriman]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Dix
Mother's name: Mary Dix
Gender: Female
Where born: Leafield, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leafield
Town: Leafield
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chipping Norton
Sub-registration district: Charlbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1455
Folio: 79
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dix 56
Mary Dix 45
Emmauel Ferriman 15
Phelle Ferriman 12
William Ferriman 8

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1455; Folio: 79; Page: 13; GSU roll: 838785.

Marriages Dec 1870

FERRIMAN Mary Chipping N 3a 1147
DIX Thomas Chipping N. 3a 1147

Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
Adams Mary Headington 16 101
Bradford Thomas Headington 16 101
CASTLE Rosa Headington 16 101
FERRIMAN Emanuel Headington 16 101 xxxxxxxxx
Gadney John Headington 16 101
Lawrence Cornelius Headington 16 101
Payne Ellen Headington 16 101
STOCKWELL Christian Headington 16 101

Many thanks for your replies, much appreciated.

Rambling Rose:- Thank you. I saw this record, but because of the difference in age I assumed it wasn't him? Can these records be that incorrect? If it is him, do you have any tips on finding out about his parents etc i.e going back further than 1841 census?

Shirley:- Many thanks, that has confirmed the details to me. I had a look on the Family Search site, but again, the only record is on 1861 census, unless of course the dob is incorrect as per Rambling Rose??

safc:- I wasnt sure how theses records work? I saw a list of people, but was confused! How do you know who they married?

Thanks again.

well his marriage cert should name his dad if known

http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html#prs

scroll down to oxf- cn03 for parish records cd to buy

Hi Simon it's not that unusual to find a difference in ages, especially on the 1841 census as they were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, it's still a bit out but I can't see another Emanuel Ferriman.

In case you don't have it this from Ancestry

UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946 about Emanuel Ferriman
Name: Emanuel Ferriman
Occupation: Tailor
Publication Title: 1847 Post Office Directory
County: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1847

Simon, ages in the 1841 census were rounded down to the nearest 5; so he could have been anything from 20 to 25.

You can't really be sure from the list of marriage names who married who but as his wife is shown as Mary in the census a good guess would be that he married Mary Adams but only the marriage cert will confirm this.

As he his your direct relative have you obtained the birth certs for his child who is your great grandfather? This would give the mother's maiden name which would also confirm who Emmanuel married.

On that same directory entry it has "Charles Ferriman 'Old George' ( an inn?) and Farmer"

A tree on Ancestry has his baptism as 24th March 1815; parents Samuel and Mary. Source is given as Parish Records.

safc / shirley / potty:- So will the cd of parish records have copies of the actual certificates in order to see marriage/births? Or do you have to go to GRO to get them?
And would that have more info about Samuel and Mary??
Sorry if these questions are silly... I really have no experience of this :-S I do appreciate the help.

Rambling Rose / potty :- Is ancestery a better site to get info?

1815March 24 Emanuel Ferriman
Mother or Father
Samual and Mary (innkeeper )

http://www.kerry24447.webspace.virginmedia.com/Ferriman%20Familyt.htm

(above comes up on google search)

Chris :)

CDs of parish records normally ( but not exclusively ) have transcriptions of entries not the images themselves.
The OFHS CDs say that they are transcriptions.

Civil registration did not start in England and Wales until Sep 1837. It was not compulsory to register a birth until 1873. Before then we have to hope that our ancestors were baptised and that records have survived.
The parish records are frequently held at the county archive, with films of them sent to local archives and libraries having local studies sections. Any one of those would make a photo copy at your request although they would make a charge.

Civil registration BMD certificates have to be purchased either from the local register office or GRO. There is no option to browse the copies before purchase, only the references needed to order.

Thanks again!

So, if I'm just interested in the details, not the actual certificates, will the info be on the cd's? Or do the certificates hold more details?
Do I just need to go to my local library and see what info they have?

Many thanks

Simon

Cd's usually give basic information such as X marries Y on date and place.
Or baby z baptised on date at place, child of X the father (and if you are lucky Y the mother). Burials usually give name, date & place of burial.

God parents are not usually listed. Your local library may have access to Ancestry or other programs. Unless you are in Oxfordshire you are unlikely to get anything else.

Margaret has a number of Oxfordshire CDs and is willing to do look-ups on them

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1086522