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Samuel shaw made a will in 1872 ... Loved at Stanley common Ilkeston derbyshire,
I've been trying to find the name of the farm he lived, so we an research further back, how can I get this information please

Do you know anything else about him, year of birth or how old he was / which year he died? Wife and children?
Why do you think he lived on a farm?

He left a will stating he was a farmer, sons were charles, Alfred. William and George
Daughters Caroline and Julia

Unsure date of birth but approx 1800 1820
His will was made 1872 so a guess he died that year
Thankyou

Is this him in 1871? Address just says Derby Rd. His occupation is canal agent.

Samuel Shaw

in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Samuel Shaw
[Samuel Straw]
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Ilkestone, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Ilkeston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 147
Piece: 3483
Folio: 47
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Shaw 74
Caroline Shaw 42

Thankyou Margare but we think our Samuel was a farmer

This looks like the family in 1851 but someone has corrected the name to Straw.

Alfred Shaw

in the 1851 England Census
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Name: Alfred Shaw
[Alfred Straw]
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: Samuel Shaw
Mother's name: Sarah Shaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
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County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3h
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Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 2126
Folio: 299
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Shaw 53
Sarah Shaw 57
Alfred Shaw 31
Sarahann Shaw 24
Carolines Shaw 22
Samuel Shaw 30
Charles Shaw 19
Julia Shaw 17

Samuel is a clerk or agent.

Possible death? Basford district covers Ilkeston.

Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Shaw Samuel 76 Basford 7b 85

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Awww thankyou, that's the right line but we are trying to find out how he came about land owner of a farm

Do you have a copy of the will, Vena? If so did he leave the farm to one of his sons?

With the 1851 census saying 'agent' he could have been a land agent which would involve farming.

National Probate Calendar 1872

STRAW Samuel 6 December. The will of Samuel Straw late of ilkeston in the County of Derby Farmer and Canal Agent who died 8 November at Ilkeston was proved at Derby by Charles Straw of Ilkeston Book-keeper the son and Wright Lissett of Little Hallam in the said County Farmer and Schoolmaster Executors. Effects under £1000

This seems to be the death of that Samuel Straw whose probate greyghost posted.

Deaths Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Straw Samuel 75 Basford 7b 76

So the question is are we getting 2 people mixed up here, Samuel Shaw and Samuel Straw?

Rate books and/or Electoral rolls might name the farm - assuming they've survived, they could be kept at the nearest archive.

Trees on Ancestry say Samuel Straw married Sarah Rowland and had children Harriet 1816, Alfred 1819, William 1820, George 1825, Sarah Ann 1826, Caroline 1828 and Charles 1832.

Similar names to your Samuel Shaw.

So, Vena, where did you get the info about the will of Samuel Shaw and the children named in it because it certainly appears to be the will of Samuel Straw?

Might Tithe maps help? they might show up what was at Stanley Common at the time

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Or maybe Derek could help on his thread -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073
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And as Ilkeston is posted as Notts or Derbys depending which census you look at on which site -

Maybe Wendy on hers
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1266434

Ilkeston is close to both Derby and Nottingham and is near to the M1 motorway. Although Ilkeston lies within Derbyshire, it is closer to Nottingham than it is to Derby. The eastern boundary of Ilkeston is only two miles from Nottingham's western edge. Ilkeston is considered by the Office for National Statistics to be part of the Nottingham Urban Area.

I can't follow a Samuel Shaw through census in the Ilkeston area with those named children, but Samuel Straw can be

Hhe left his will to all his children equally, thankyou all of you, I'm going to look up on Ilkeston history site thanks again

But, Vena, you didn't answer the question. Do you have a copy of the will and was it Samuel Shaw or Samuel Straw?

Sorry it was Samuel shaw on the will , I'm so sorry it's just so confusing, I do appreciate all your help

It is confusing because I found this relating to the Straw family which mentions 2 daughters with the same names that you mention as Samuel Shaw's daughters.

"The Straws of the old Moor Brig.

We now see the old mill but not any house until we come to the old canal bridge.
In this home lived the Straws.
The two daughters had a Girls’ School, nearly at the bottom of Bath Street.

Born in Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire about 1789 Sarah Rowland, the daughter of William and Amy (nee Levers), married Samuel Straw at Greasley Parish Church in June 1813.

The baptisms of their children and the census suggest that initially they lived at Newthorpe Common until about 1828 before moving to Stanton Lock where Samuel was described as a lock-wright.

In the 1840’s the family moved into Moors Bridge Lane where Samuel was a ‘canal agent’.

That is where the couple spent the rest of their lives. Sarah died there in July 1861 and Samuel in November 1872.

Mystery alert!
There were four daughters of the marriage though only three came to live in Ilkeston.
Sarah Ann died unmarried in 1856, aged 29, described as a dressmaker.
Caroline lived in the Lane with her parents until she married collier Benjamin Samuel Brown in March 1878.
Like Caroline, Julia was a ‘housemaid’ and lived at home until 1862 when she married Cossall boatman and widower Isaac Newton.
I have as yet not found evidence linking them to the ‘bottom of Bath Street’ school."