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Just wondered if anyone could help
I am researching Mary Ann Skellett 1874 born in Durham but moved to Bradford 1900ish.She married a James W Cunliffe and I am trying to connect him to the well known Cunliffes and Listers
There is a James born in Armley, Leeds and one born in Shipley which is Bradford
i am getting myself in knots trying to work this one out
Any help would be great
Julie
Ps they are down as Cuncliffe on the 1911

This record gives you his father's name:

Name: Mary Ann Skellett
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Nov 1898
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's name: Charles Skellett
Spouse's Name: William James Cunliffe
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Cunliffe<<<<<<<<<<<<

The image of the marriage register says the groom's father is Samuel Cunliffe, a deceased stationmaster, which should help you find the family in censuses.

You also know that the 'J' in the groom's name is James.

I can't quite make out the groom's occupation, it looks like wollen willeyer, and he is a bachelor aged 23 years, of 76 Kerslean/Kersham St, Bradford.

The bride is a 21 yr old spinster, a worsted twister by occupation, her address is 76 Peace St Bradford.

The bride's father Charles Skellett is a stone (?) quarrier.

The witnesses were William Hey and Sophis Skellett

Thank you very much --- I will look into Samuel

HI,

I think I was editing with more detail of the marriage register as you posted, just in case anything else on there helped identify the families concerned.

????

Name: James William Cunliffe
Birth Date: 21 May 1875
Parish: Horton, All Saints
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1875
Father's name: Samuel Cunliffe
Mother's name: Eliza Annie Cunliffe

EDIT - have just realised forenames are the wrong way round, and father is a clerk, though could be a railway clerk I suppose . Address 23 Tudor Street. Born 21st May 1875.

Will leave for a bit, but might be a red herring.

Edit:

Just in case these are the parents, this is the marriage for them:

Name: Samuel Cunliffe - clerk
Birth Year: abt 1848
Age: 26
Marriage or Bann Date: 21 Dec 1874
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's name: James Cunliffe - shuttlemaker
Spouse's Name: Annie Elizabeth Carling
Spouse's Father's Name: William Carling

Groom's address is 23 Tudor Street, Horton, as per the baptism for James William Cunliffe.

Thank you for all this information -- i will have another go

1901 which you probably have.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
51, Peace Street, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James W Cunliffe Head Married Male 25 1876 Furniture Salesman Shipley, Yorkshire, England
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Mary A Cunliffe Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Durham, Durham, England
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Samuel Cunliffe Son Single Male 1 1900 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Just noted that in the 1911 census, and the 1901 posted by alviegal, he is James William, not William James, so maybe that puts the baptism I posted back in the running?

Depending on where Horton, All saints is, in Yorkshire:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

55 Westbrook Cottages Bradford, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

James William Cuncliffe Head Married Male Machine Wool Comber 35 1876 Yorkshire Wortley
Mary Ann Cuncliffe Wife Married Female - 33 1878 Durham Waterhouses
Samuel Cuncliffe Son - Male - 11 1900 Yorkshire Bradford
Charles Cuncliffe Son - Male - 10 1901 Yorkshire Bradford
Alice Cuncliffe Daughter - Female - 7 1904 Yorkshire Bradford

Thank you everyone for all this
Just one thing though -- the 1911 says he was born in Wortley and the 1901 says he was born in Shipley --- this is giving me a headache lol

You and me both - my geography isn't that hot to start with! :-S

What about this?? I think this is Eliza Ann Carling that Jucinta found.


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) LAWRENCE
Last name DONOHUE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1880
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LAWRENCE DONOHUE married one of these people
ROBERT SMITH, >>ELIZABETH ANN CUNLIFFE<<, ALICE EMILY WALKER
District BRADFORD
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9B
Page 120



Name: James Cunliffe
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Birth Date: 1876
Birth Place: Armley
Event Date: 19 Feb 1891
Residence: Leeds, England
Father: Laurence Donohue
Mother: Eliz A Donohue
Record Type: Admission
Volume Date Range: 1889 - 1894
Reference Number: LC/SS1/8/6
Register Numbers: 1161-1460
Institution: East Moor Community Home School


He was convicted of stealing an overcoat in Bradford and was sentenced to 10 days and 3 years.
He was previously charged with stealing a pair of boots but was discharged.
His aunt was Jane Cunliffe, 18 Woodbank Place, Manningham.
His uncle was Samuel Scott, 250 Borough Rd, Birkenhead.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
53 Westbrook Cottages Bradford, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Lawrence Donohue Head Widower Male Card - Room Jobber 55 1856 Gibralter
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Charles Donohue Son Single Male Machine Wool - Comber 26 1885 Yorks Bradford
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Clara Briggs Boarder Married Female Machine Wool - Comber 43 1868 Lincolns Hepworth



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
43, Cordingley Street, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Laurence Donohue Head Widower Male 45 1856 Stripper & Grinder Gibraltar
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Charles Donohue Son Single Male 17 1884 Comb Jobber Combing Mac Bradford, Yorkshire, England
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Clara Briggs Visitor Married Female 30 1871 Combing Machine Minder Epworth, Lincolnshire, England



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Longside Court, Longside Lane, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lawrence Donohue Head Married Male 35 1856 Wool Combing Hand -
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>>Elizabeth Ann Donohue Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Yorkshire, England
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George Donohue Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Bradford, Yorkshire, England
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Charles Donohue Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Bradford, Yorkshire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
135, Exeter Street, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lawrence Donohue Head Married Male 25 1856 Striper & Grinder Of Worsted Gibraltar
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>>Elizabeth Ann Donohue Wife Married Female 28 1853 Wool Weaver Unemployed Yorkshire, England
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George Donohue Son Single Male 0 1881 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Picton Street, Armley, Bramley, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Scott Head Married Male 61 1820 Whitesmith Kirkstall, Yorkshire, England
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Esther Scott Wife Married Female 66 1815 - Bramley, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel Scott Son Single Male 26 1855 Cordwainer Bramley, Yorkshire, England
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>.James W Cunliffe Grand Son Single Male 5 1876 Sch Armley, Yorkshire, England

Sub registration district: Wortley




1891

Name: Jas Cunliffe
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Scholar (Institutional)
Gender: Male
Where born: Armley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Adel cum Eccup
Ecclesiastical parish: Adel
Town: Adel
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wharefdale
ED, institution, or vessel: Leeds Society
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3525
Folio: 123
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
David Banks 15
John Stemm 14
Henry Brownlow 12
Jonathan Smith 14
Alfred Metcalf 15
John Shires 15
Joshua Falcus 12
Wm Thompson 14
Robt Medlam 14
Francis Clark 15
Albert Chambers 15
James White 14
Jos Watson 14
Chas T Evans 15
Thomas Potter 13
George Machin 13
William Sneap 14
Henry Johnson 13
Jas Fellows 13
Jos Duffield 15
Wm Cartwright 12
Herbert Pearson 13
John Lambert 14
Walter Pinder 15
Edward Bowker 12
Jas A Short 13
Wm Evans 14
Jos Elliott 15
Thomas Hoban 12
Henry Wright 15
Robt Sanderson 15
Henry Wilson 14
William Roberts 15
Wm Ashford 15
George Todd 14
Robert Muir 15
Thomas Bean 15
Thomas Baldy 14
John Truman 14
Thomas Harris 15
Joseph Guest 14
John Miller 15
Andrew Fullen 12
John W Bellwood 14
Jas Cantwell 14
Wm Richardson 13
John Simpson 15
Walter Parker 15
Geo Atkinson 15
>>Jas Cunliffe 15
John Goodwin 15
Jas Filburn 15
Joseph Lowe 15
Percy Wilkinson 13
Henry Williams 14
Thomas Turnbull 15

Not sure if this is relevant, but might explain why hard to find in census?

Name: Samuel Cunliffe
Birth Year: abt 1848
Parish: Shipley, St Paul
Burial Date: 30 Nov 1876
Burial Age: 28

EDIT: Ooooh, given what alviegal has just posted, this could work, and leaves his missus free to marry Mr Donohue...

Oh so it looks like hes the Armley one -- which means were not in the peerage line.Shame- I would have shared the inheritance with you all for being so helpful :-D

Oh now that's a shame Julie :-( :-( :-(

I'm devasted now :-D :-D

This appears to be his father, Samuel. Jane could be the aunt mentioned in James' Admission record in 1891.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tudor Street, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

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Jane Cunliffe Head - Female 62 1809 - Cheshire, England
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>>Jane Cunliffe Daughter - Female 30 1841 - Cheshire, England
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>>Samuel Cunliffe Son - Male 22 1849 railway clerk - Cheshire, England
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Arthur Cunliffe Grandson - Male 5 1866 - Yorkshire, England

me too... ;-)

Hmm, so the railway clerk becomes the station master on the marriage cert!

Railway clerk does seem more in line with the clerk that Samuel was on his marriage, and on the baptism register of his son.

But it wouldn't be the first time someone overegged things on a marriage cert.

This looks like Samuel's family in 1851, but no sign of father James the shuttlemaker, from his marriage register:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Hopwood Street, Preston, Lancashire, England

Thomas Cunliffe Head Married Male 35 1816 Shoe Maker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah Cunliffe Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cunliffe Son - Male 11 1840 Shuttle Maker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Edward Cunliffe Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
>>>Jane Cunliffe Sister In Law Married Female 42 1809 Cotton Weaver Stockport, Cheshire, England
>>>Jane Cunliffe Niece Unmarried Female 17 1834 Cotton Weaver Stockport, Cheshire, England
William Cunliffe Nephew Unmarried Male 20 1831 Worsker Weaver Stockport, Cheshire, England
James Cunliffe Nephew - Male 7 1844 Scholar Stockport, Cheshire, England
>>>Samuel Cunliffe Nephew - Male 3 1848 - Stockport, Cheshire, England

IN 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Longshutt Field, Stockport, Cheshire, England

>>>James Cunliffe Male 35 1806 Cheshire, England
>>>Jane Cunliffe Female 30 1811 Cheshire, England
William Cunliffe Male 10 1831 Cheshire, England
Jane Cunliffe Female 5 1836 Cheshire, England

Census image says James is a shuttlemaker.

oh dear -- definitely no money coming our way
Thank you so much for your help -- i was totally confused
I will have another look at this tomorrow
Julie