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Is there anyone out there, who can help me to find the service record for George Troman, born 1881 in Birmingham. He served in WW1 & his number was 133315. He served in either the Warwickshire of Worcestershire regiments. Many thanks, Don

Over 70% of WW1 records were destroyed during WW2 bombing. There is nothing obvious with that Regiment and number.

How sure are you about the regiment? This matches the service number, but other details not exactly as you've posted

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

George E Tromans
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers
Regimental Number: GS/133315

Awarded the Victory and British medals.

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Soldiers died in the Great War 1914-1919 Transcription
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First name(s) GEORGE
Last name TROMANS
Service number 39854
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment Worcestershire Regiment
Battalion 10th Battalion.
Birth place CRADLEY, WORCS
Residence CRADLEY
Enlistment place OLD HILL, STAFFS
Death year 1917
Death day 23
Death month 7
Cause of death Died of wounds
Death place France & Flanders
Theatre of war Western European Theatre
Supplementary Notes -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain

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First name(s) George
Last name Tromans
Service number 222, 39854
Rank Private
Corps South Staffordshire Regiment, Worcestershire Regiment
Service record Soldier Number: 222, Rank: Private, Corps: South Staffordshire Regiment
Service record 2 Soldier Number: 39854, Rank: Private, Corps: Worcestershire Regiment
Archive reference WO372/20
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Country Great Britain
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D5623098
Record set World War One British Army medal index cards
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain

This is the FMP version of the record posted by DET above .............. showing that George E's rank was Private


Medal Index Cards Transcription

First name(s) George E
Last name Tromans
Service number GS/133315
Rank Private
Corps Royal Fusiliers
Service record Soldier Number: GS/133315, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Fusiliers
Archive reference WO372/20
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Country Great Britain
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D5623099
Record set World War One British Army medal index cards
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from United Kingdom


I would assume from the fact that neither ancestry nor FMP have any records other than the Medal Cards, that the service records are among the 70% that did not survive WW2.

I'm not sure that the Soldiers Died Great War recorded posted by Rose (above) is the same man?

According to the Register of Soldier's Effects for that man his widow was Harriett.

MarieCeleste no it's not the same man, but I thought I would post it just in case as there are a couple born around the same time

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Butchers Lane Cradley Cradley Heath Staff's, Cradley, Worcestershire, England


George Tromans Head Married Male Iron Chainmaker Dollied 30 1881 Plants Green Staff
Harriet Tromans Wife Married Female Iron Chainmaker Hamrd 28 1883 High Town Cradley Wors
Benjamin Tromans Son - Male - 5 1906 High Town Cradley Wors
Ellen Tromans Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Butchers Lane Cradley Wors
Ellen Beasley Boarder Married Female Iron Chain Maker Hamrd 23 1888 Butchers Lane Cradley Worc

From a PM

Thank you for that info.This ties in exactly with what I know. He served on the Russian front in 1918. I have pages from his diary, which describe awful scenes. We are trying to trace relatives to decide how to deal with the diary.
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Donald , its not exactly clear which of the above records you believe to be correct. Does the diary mention any family names to clarify or give leads? Birthdays? If not his own, then his siblings/parents?

Please reply on the thread, not by Private Message. That way everyone can help you find relatives, if any, to pass the diary on to.

well not the Cradley one I posted as that was the death in 1917, so if he served in Russia 1918 can't be him.

There doesn't seem to be a birth reg in England/Wales for a George E Tromans or even Troman.

How about this 1891?
George Tromans
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Tromans
Mother's name: Harriet A Tromans
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Aston

Civil Parish: Yardley
Ecclesiastical parish: Sparkhill
Town: Sparkhill
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Solihull
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 2464
Folio: 75
Page Number: 88

Household Members:
Name Age
William Tromans 42
Harriet A Tromans 52
Jone Tromans 16
Alice Tromans 14
George Tromans 11
Charles Tromans 8

Could he have lied about his age?

George Ernest Troman
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 64

According to Ancestry, which I can't look at as I don't have a sub he is George Edgar Tromans ( record card number as stated) which might help.

Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912

George Ernest Troman
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1884
Baptism Date: 27 Feb 1887
Baptism Place: Birmingham, Immanuel, Warwickshire, England
Father: Samuel Troman - occ Cooper
Mother: Emma Troman
Reference Number: DRO 12
Archive Roll: M17/M18
Address Back of 118 Tennant? St

Siblings baptised on the same day

Albert Bertie b 14 Apr 1876
Charles Edward b 18 Sep 1881
Elizabeth Emily Gimever? b 21 Jul 1886

Not spotting it at the moment - Rose, what can you 'see'?

ADDED - Got it

George Edgar Tromans
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number: GS/133315
Previous Units: 46. R. Fus. Pte. GS/133315

Ancestry has a lot of records for a George Edgat Tromans born 1898, again I can't see it and not finding the transcription on FMP :-|

Oh here it is

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Wainwright St Aston Manor, Aston Manor, Warwickshire, England


George Henry Tromans Head Married Male Bricklayer 52 1859 Stafford Rowley Regis Transcription
Elizabeth Tromans Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Warwick Bromford
Albert Tromans Son Single Male General Labourer 21 1890 Warwick Saltley
John Tromans Son Single Male Metal Roller 20 1891 Warwick Saltley
Gertrude Tromans Daughter Single Female Press Worker 16 1895 Warwick Saltley
Georfe Edgar Tromans Son - Male School 13 1898 Warwick Saltley <<<<<<<<
Alfred Tromans Son - Male School 10 1901 Warwick Saltley
William Henry Tromans Son - Male - 8 1903 Warwick Saltley

That's it +++DetEcTive+++ ( so frustrating only been able to see 'bits' lol I prefer Ancestry to FMP searches I must say).

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) GEORGE EDGAR
Last name TROMANS
Gender Male
Birth day 8
Birth month 11
Birth year 1897
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1977
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Volume 32
Page 0206
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Bear with me

Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
George Edgar Tromans
Year: 1918 & 1919
Ward or Division/Constituency: Aston
Street address: 11 Wainwright st
Residence Place: Birmingham

46585 Pte 16 T.W Bn Worcs

All the names on the same page appear to be Servicemen giving their service no and and regiment/vessel
The trouble is that it doesn’t match with the one Donald quotes.

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Tromans Household (2 People)
41 Farmer Road,Bham , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

George E Tromans 08 Nov 1897 Centre Grinder
Violet E Tromans 27 Jun 1900 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)

Daniels Violet E Tromans Aston 6d 945
Tromans George E Daniels Aston 6d 945

George Edgar Tromans
Year: 1927
Ward or Division/Constituency: Yardley
Street address: 41 FARMER ROAD
Residence Place: Birmingham

Matches the 1939 register, but I have my doubts if its the correct man

Violet Emily with him from 1930