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Can someone please help me know how to find the details of residents in 1841. Also when they were discharged. Thank you

Hindley WH came under the Wigan Poor Law Union

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Wigan/

From that link, it doesnt seem that the admin/discharge books have survived.

Who were you looking for in the 1841 census? Remember that their ages could be 'out' by c5 years. Some institutions only listed inmates by initials.

Hi Barbara -give us the name of the person you are looking for

If you have access to Ancestry, search for any name living in Hindley; then view the image, click on Hindley (at the top of the image), click on Hindley in the drop down list and the workhouse is shown at the bottom of the Enumeration District List. That will bring up the images for the workhouse.

Not sure how you would do it on other sites.

My relative is Jane Rannicar. She was born 1839 in Wigan. In the 1841 census I can find a child of this name but can't find her parents. Her Father was Thomas and her mother Ann. Thank you so much. I am not in Ancestry. x

Baptism: 2 Jun 1839 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jane Rannicar - 3d. Daur. of Thomas Rannicar & Ann
Born: 28 May
Abode: Club Row
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jas. K. Glazebrook Curate
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1842, Page 54, Entry 431
Source: LDS Film 1885679

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hindley Workhouse, Wigan, Lancashire, England

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Census details
Family member first name RICHARD, MARY, SARAH, ROGER, PETER, MARGT, GEORGE, WILLIAM, JANE, MARGAT, JOHN, ISAAC, BETTY, SUSANNAH, LAWRENCE, MARGARET
Family member last name ADAMSON, BEEVER, ENTWISTLE, LANGLEY, GREENALL, WALTON, EASTHAM, HIGGINSON, BLINSTON, CALTON, HITCHEN, ROUGHLEY, KNOWLES, YATES
First name(s) Ann
Last name Rannicar
Gender Female
Age 40
Birth year 1801
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Street Hindley Workhouse
Parish or township Wigan
City or borough -
Town Hindley
County Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 522
Book number 11
Folio number 4
Page number 4
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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For England 1841 on Ancestry, go to
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8978
and pick the
Browse Individual Records
link in the left hand column, then enter the detauls e.g., Lancashire, then Hindley, and there's a link to the Hindley workhouse census records.

For later years, it's easiest to specify the district (Wigan) and the subdistrict (Hindley) (or, alternatively, the place) and the relationship (usually inmate, but could be pauper).
NB Inmate can pick up some prison or asylum inmates, and sometimes hospital inmates (but not in Hindley).
Incidentally, Hindley subdistrict also includes Ince and Abram.
Once you've gotten one hit, you can browse thru the adjacent images.

After 1856, some discharges via deaths might be found via:
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php?opt=cemetery and
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/incecemetery.php?opt=incecemetery
E.g.,
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion
Taylor Ann 46 yrs Wigan Workhouse 29-Jan 1857 E 239 R C
[Date is date of burial]

but I've never come across a Hindley Workhouse burial.
[Hindley municipal cemetery opened in 1880]
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/hindleycemetery.php?opt=hindleycemetery

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Marriage: 25 Oct 1847 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rannicar - (X), 40, Labourer, Widower, Wigan
Mary Wood - (X), 26, Spinster, Wigan
Groom's Father: Peter Rannicar, dead
Bride's Father: James Wood, dead
Witness: James Schofield, (X); Mary Tyrer, (X)
Married by Banns by: Edward Pigot Curate
Register: Marriages 1846 - 1848, Page 190, Entry 380
Source: LDS Film 1885695

Burial: 22 Mar 1844 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ann Rannicar - Wife of Thomas Rannicar
Age: 47 years
Abode: Schofield Lane
Cause of Death: Burn'd
Buried by: John Lomas Curate
Register: Burials 1839 - 1844, Page 348, Entry 2782
Source: LDS Film 1885702

Burial: 3 Jun 1845 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Peter Rannicar -
Age: 13 years
Abode: Workhouse
Cause of Death: Burn'd
Buried by: John Lomas Curate
Register: Burials 1844 - 1847, Page 330, Entry 2639
Source: LDS Film 1885703

Baptism: 1 Jan 1835 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Peter Ranicar - 1 Son of Thomas Ranicar & Ann
Born: 21 Dec
Abode: Scholes
Occupation: Sweep
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Baptisms 1833 - 1836, Page 452, Entry 1210
Source: LDS Film 1885678

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hindley Workhouse, Wigan, Lancashire, England

Learn more
Census details
Family member first name RICHARD, MARY, SARAH, ROGER, PETER, MARGT, GEORGE, WILLIAM, JANE, MARGAT, JOHN, ISAAC, BETTY, SUSANNAH, LAWRENCE, MARGARET
Family member last name ADAMSON, BEEVER, ENTWISTLE, LANGLEY, GREENALL, WALTON, EASTHAM, HIGGINSON, BLINSTON, CALTON, HITCHEN, ROUGHLEY, KNOWLES, YATES
First name(s) Peter
Last name Rannicar
Gender Male
Age 6
Birth year 1835
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Street Hindley Workhouse
Parish or township Wigan
City or borough -
Town Hindley
County Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 522
Book number 11
Folio number 4
Page number 4
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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Looking at the image of the 1841, Ann Rannicar is shown with occupation Cotton Weaver.

Just below her andat the bottom of the page is her son Peter, no occupation shown

The baby Jane, aged 1, is on the first line of the next page ..........

so mother and children are together


Out of interest ............. this is ancestry's version :-D

1841 Census

Name: Anna Ranniger
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley

Piece: 522
Book: 11
Folio: 4
Page Number: 4

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Anna Ranniger 40 Cotton Weaver
Peter Ranniger 6
Jane Rannicar 1
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???? baptism of Thomas, from ancestry

Wigan, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1580-1812

Name: Thomas Rannicar
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1810
Baptism Date: 5 May 1810
Baptism Place: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan
Father: Peter Rannicar
Mother: Jane Rannicar

from image:-
fourth son of Peter Rannican and Jane
Address:- Whirley
Father occupation:- Weaver



same information from lancs opc (which is free)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Baptism: 5 May 1810 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rannicar - fourth Son of Peter Rannicar & Jane
Born: 22 Mar
Abode: Whirley
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1812, Page 336
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

from findmypast, newspapers

age is wrong, but I'm sure it's him, date fits the burial posted earlier

Death from Burning. —On Monday, Mr. Rogerson held an inquest tbe Workhouse, upon the boely a boy named Peter Rannicar, ten years of age, a drawer in a coal mine. Some time ago lie was asleep the engine-house of Colliery at Winstanley, anel
7 June 1845 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire G

from image (I've transcribed the entry for you):-

Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser 7 June 1845

News of the Neighbouring Towns
Wigan

Death from Burning -- On Monday, Mr. Rogerson held an inquest tbe Workhouse, upon the body a boy named Peter Rannicar, ten years of age, a drawer in a coal mine. Some time ago lie was asleep the engine-house of Colliery at Winstanley, and was awoke by pain from burning, when he found that he had got into the fire-hole of the engine, and although shockingly burned, and in the night, he called up a person, and was taken to the police station, and subsequently to the Wigan Workhouse where he died on Sunday last. Verdict of "accidently burned" was recorded.

Little bit more information on Ann's burial from ancestry

Wigan, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1979

Name: Ann Rannicar
Birth Year: abt 1797
Death Age: 47
Burial Date: 22 Mar 1844
Burial Parish: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan

from image:-

wife of Thomas Rannicar
Abode:- Schofield Lane


and Peter ..........

Wigan, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1979

Name: Peter Rannicar
Birth Year: abt 1832
Death Age: 13
Burial Date: 3 Jun 1845
Burial Parish: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan

from image:-

Abode:- Workhouse


from the above 2 records, it looks as though Ann had been released from the Workhouse and was living at Schofield Lane.

Unfortunately, the 1847 marriage certificate for Thomas and Mary Wood does ot give a street address for Thomas, it simpl says "Wigan", so we cannot say that Schofield Lane was their marital home.

We know from the newspaper report that Peter was working at a colliery so was also not living at the workhouse and that he had been taken to the workhouse after getting burned ...... this would probably have been to the infirmary section of the workhouse, which was the only place where poor people could get medical help for free.


I cannot find Thomas in 1841 ............. but it is tempting to suggest that he was either sick or in prison, and that was the reason why Ann and the 2 children had gone to the Workhsouse. Unfortunately, the 1841 Census gives very little information ...... later censuses would say things like "pauper", "patient" (which implies in the infirmary section), wife of xxx, widow of xxx, etc

Could this be Thomas and Ann's marriage??

from lancs opc

Marriage: 10 Feb 1833 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ranicar - (X), Wigan Parish
Ann Hilton - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Caleb Hilton; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: J. K. Glazebrook, Curate
Register: Marriages 1833 - 1835, Page 13, Entry 38
Source: LDS Film 1885692


there is no more information on ancestry where I can look at the actual image of the marriage register. This was of course before official registration began on July 1 1837, and marriage registers are, in general, much less informative.

pm from Barbara ........

Thank you so much. So Jane and her mother are in the workhouse. I wonder where Thomas Jane's father was. They had spelt Ann's surname wrong. Towards the end of her life Jane went back to the workhouse and just before she died one of her daughters to her to her home were she died. So at least she didn't die in the workhouse.

Actually .............. Rannicar was not spelled wrongly on the image of the 1841 Census

It was transcribed wrongly by the person who did the transcribing fro ancestry! I must admit that it was actually quite difficult to read the handwriting on the actual image!