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Can I ask if anyone would look for a family living at

4 Lily Place Ashton-in -Makerfield Lancs the family was I think Martin Gara


Thank you

Thomas J Lydon on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Lydon Household (3 People) 4 Lily Place , Ashton-in-Makerfield U.D., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Thomas J Lydon 01 Apr 1900 Male Coal Hewer (Below) Heavy Work Married 27 1
Mary (A) Lydon 07 Oct 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 27 2
Kathleen (Mary) Beirne (Lydon) 16 Aug 1923 Female Apprentice To Tailor Single 27 3

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Thank you for the look up, Mary A may possibly be nee Gara

How did you work that one out? The only marriage on FMP pre 1939 for Mary A Gara is

MARY A
Last name GARA
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1936
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARY A GARA married
ERNEST A FROST
Spouse's last name FROST
District NOTTINGHAM
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 1162

There's no obvious Gara/Lydon or Frost/Lydon marriage, nor a birth for Kathleen Mary mmn Gara in 1923 +/-2 in England or Wales

How about this marriage?

First name(s) MARY
Last name GARA
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1927
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARY GARA married
SAMUEL H MATTHEWS
Spouse's last name MATTHEWS
District FYLDE
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 1612

Would this be Martin Gara, either the father and son in 1911? A Mary Gara 1905 is the daughter of Martin Snr

6 Edward St Thornton, Thornton, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
**Martin Gara Husband Married Male Labour 43 1868 C Ros Common Ireland
Mary Gara Wife Married Female - 33 1878 Motherwell Glasgow
**Mary Gara Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Thornton England
**Martin Gara Son - Male - 5 1906 Thornton
James Gara Son - Male - 4 1907 Thornton
Thomas Gara Son - Male - 2 1909 Thornton
Catherine Gara Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Thornton
Thomas Carney Boarder Single Male Chemical Labourer 30 1881 C Tyrone Ireland
Elizabeth Kane Sister To Wife Single Female - 20 1891 Wallsend on Tyne England

1939 register for Samuel H Matthews and his wife Mary Gara

Matthews Household (5 People) 25 Gamble Road , Thornton Cleveleys U.D., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mary Matthews 04 May 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 88 2
Samuel H Matthews 17 Apr 1901 Male Process Married 88 1
Thomas Matthews 05 Aug 1928 Male At School Single 88 3
+ one closed record

Thomas 1928's birth (FMP)

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name MATTHEWS
Birth year 1928
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name GARA
District FYLDE
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 867

Martin Jnr in 1939

Gara Household (3 People) 11 Conway Avenue , Blackpool C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Martin Gara 06 Jul 1905 Male Pensioner Married 219 1
Beatrice Gara 23 Jan 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 219 2
Closed record
Clara Easthope 30 Nov 1898 Female Hotel Reception Clerk Single 219 4

Martin's occupation is Plasterer - correction submitted

Martin's marriage

First name(s) MARTIN
Last name GARA
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1934
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARTIN GARA married
BEATRICE BAKER
Spouse's last name BAKER
District FYLDE
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 2025

The Closed Record is probably their child b Flyde reg in 1937. See Freebmd.org.uk
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Martin Snr's death in 1923

First name(s) MARTIN
Last name GARA
Gender Male
Birth year 1869
Age 54
Death quarter 4
Death year 1923
District FYLDE
County Lancashire
Volume 8E
Page 813

Thank you all.

I found a passenger record for a person iam tracing she was going to US in 1927 to join her sisters,she was born in Ashton -in-Makerfield in 1910 lost her parents Michael and Catherine Carlon by 1921.

On the record it gave name and address of nearest relative from whence you came and she has reported Uncle Martin Gara 4 Lily Place Ashton-in Makerfield. I know it was a long shot but thought I would try and see who lived at 4 lily Place.

I cant see a Martin Gara in 1901 or 1911 census. The woman in 1939 married to Thomas lydon I thought it could be dau of Martin Gara.

Thank you

This is a possibility - from FMP

1901
16, Liverpool Road, Ashton in Makerfield, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Gara Head Married Male 65 1836 Labourer For District Council Ireland
Hindora Gara Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Ireland
Thomas Gara Son Single Male 28 1873 Coal Mine (B? On) Below Ground Ireland
>>>Michael Gara Son Single Male 26 1875 Bricksetter Ireland <<<<
John Gara Son Single Male 24 1877 Grocers Assistant Ireland
Andrew Gara Son Single Male 21 1880 Joiner Ireland
Martin Gara Son Single Male 20 1881 Builders Carter Ireland
Margaret A Gara Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Dressmaker Lancashire, England
Catherine Gara Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Lancashire, England
Patrick Darcy Lodger Single Male 23 1878 Labourer At Colliery Surface Ireland
John Gara Lodger Single Male 23 1878 Bricksetters Labourer Ireland
Dominick Rodgers Lodger Married Male 27 1874 Labourer Dist Council Ireland
Martin Quinn Lodger Married Male 35 1866 Bricksetters Labourer Ireland
John Moran Lodger Single Male 23 1878 Bricksetters Labourer Ireland
Michael Griffin Lodger Single Male 23 1878 Coal Mine Dataller (Below) Ireland
Patrick Gara Lodger Single Male 19 1882 Coal Mine Labourer (Below) Ireland
John McMichass Lodger Single Male 27 1874 Bricksetter In Coal Mine Ireland

Same family in 1911

16 Liverpool Road Ashton in Makerfield, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England

John Gara Head Married Male None 73 1838 Balleghadereen Ireland
Norah Gara Wife Married Female Housekeeper 62 1849 Balleghadereen Ireland
Thomas Gara Son Single Male Colliery Labourer Underground 38 1873 Balleghadereen Ireland
Michael Gara Son Single Male Colliery Labourer Coal Miner Below Ground 35 1876 Balleghadereen Ireland
John Gara Son Single Male Shop Keeper 31 1880 Balleghadereen Ireland
Andrew Gara Son Single Male Joiner 29 1882 Balleghadereen Ireland
>>>Martin Gara Son Single Male Shop Keeepers Assistant 27 1884 Balleghadereen Ireland<<<
Kathleen Gara Daughter Single Female - 23 1888 Ashton in Makerfield Lancs
Margaret Gara Daughter Single Female - 25 1886 Ashton in Makerfield Lancs
Hugh Fitzpatrick Boarder Single Male Labourer Underground 32 1879 Ballaghadereen Ireland
James Casey Boarder Single Male Labourer Underground 27 1884 Ballaghadereen Ireland
Thomas Flynn Boarder Single Male Labourer Underground 23 1888 Ballaghadereen Ireland
Walter Moran Boarder Single Male Labourer Underground 45 1866 Ballaghadereen Ireland
Thomas Gara Boarder Single Male Labourer Underground 19 1892 Ballaghadereen Ireland

Living in 7 rooms. John & Honora (Norah) say they had 8 live births, all still living.

Was it Margaret who went to the US?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4 Commercial Square Ashton-In-Makerfield, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England

Michael Carlon Head - Male Coal Mine Hewer 41 1870 County Mayo Kiltimagh
Catherine Carlon Wife - Female - 41 1870 County Mayo Kiltimagh
Annie Carlon Daughter - Female - 11 1900 Staffs Newcastle under Lyne
Mary Carlon - - Female - 8 1903 - as above
Catie Carlon - - Female - 7 1904 - as above
Maggie Carlon - - Female - 2 1909 Lancs Ashton in Makerfield <<<

5 children born alive, 1 died

Although the Staffs births are on Staffsbmd, it doesn't show mmn.

Would this be Margaret on Lancsbmd?
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CARLON Margaret Ashton Wigan & Leigh HUGHES ASHT/60/175

Probably the child who died
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CARLON Bridget Agnes Ashton Wigan & Leigh HUGHES ASHT/57/215

Pity the mmn wasn't Gara! Perhaps she used 'Uncle' rather loosley

Are you sure that her uncle was Martin Gara and not Mr P Gara? There seems to be some over-typing on the 2nd related image. They were certainly living at Lily Place in 1927

New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals Transcription (FMP)
Margaret
Last name Carlon
Sex Female
Age 17
Birth year 1910
Birth place England
Arrival year 1927
Arrival city New York
Arrival state New York
Arrival country United States
Ship name Baltic
Country United States
Film number 1755765
NARA roll number 4027
NARA publication number T715
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Immigration & Travel
Subcategory Passenger lists

How about this?? The birth county is the same as Margaret's parents

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12 Albert Street Ashton-In-Makerfield Lancashire, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England

Thomas Frayne Head Married Male Underground Labourer In Coal Mine 46 1865 County Mayo Resident
Mary Ann Frayne Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Ashton in Makerfield Lancs

Skipping Frayne children born in Ashton

Patrick McNicholas Boarder Single Male Underground Labourer In Coal Miner 21 1890 County Mayo Town N K
>>Patrick Gara Boarder Single Male Underground Labourer In Coal Miner 11 1900 County Mayo Town N K<<
Frank Gara Boarder Single Male Underground Labourer In Coal Miner 20 1891 County Mayo Town N K

Looking back, there is (another?) Patrick Gara boarding with John & Norah Gara in 1901. The ages are different, unless he was very youthful looking!

Patrick Gara Lodger Single Male 19 1882 Coal Mine Labourer (Below) Ireland

Ah ha!


First name(s) PATRICK
Last name GARA
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1911
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ PATRICK GARA married one of these people
ANNA BOARDMAN, >>>AGNES HUGHES<<<<

Births Sep 1913
Gara Agnes Hughes Wigan 8c 301

Births Dec 1914
GARA Mary Hughes Wigan 8c 303

It could be that Agnes Hughes and Catherine Calon nee Hughes were sisters

Surname as below, for Daughters of John on 1901.

Chris :)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1885

O'GARA Margaret Ashton Wigan & Leigh DEGAN


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887

O'GARA Catherine Ashton Wigan & Leigh DAGNAN ASHT/31/5


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

(from above link)

Edits

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LANCSGEN/2011-09/1317114056

(Margaret Carlon on above)


(perhaps on US Census, 1930/40 New York/ Manhattan)

http://tinyurl.com/jbz49dy

(1930 image, FamilySearch, if you don't have access to Ancestry or Find My Past. Would say that is her Sister Catherine perhaps)

Thank you again for your replies.

Iam helping the grandson of Annie Carlon b1900 dau of Michael Carlon and yes Catherine HUGHES. The couple married in Ireland in 1891 and by 1901 census where in Ashton in Makerfield, the children all born in Lancs as per census.

Catherine the mother died in 1918 and father in 1921. Mary Carlon seems to have disappeared she was supposed to be a nurse but I cant locate a marriage,death,or emigration and according to her sisters didn't follow them to US. The other girls went to US and Margaret was the last to go in 1927 aged 17yrs. The sisters stayed close but did not talk much of their homeland.

I do see the link to notice made by Annies grandson. I was able to find the parents grave for him.

I will have to look again at passenger list as I thought I noted it as uncle Martin Gara.

Mr P Gara ? he could have been uncle if Catherine Hughes had a sister Agnes I will have to try and locate in Co Mayo we know the area in Kiltimagh the Hughes came from.

You have been very helpful, if anyone has any way to find the missing Mary Carlon he would be most grateful.

Thank you

Double check the image for Margaret's arrival. Perhaps other members would care to have a look and decide if the UK contact is Martin Gara or Mr P Gara.

Brought forward

New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals Transcription (FMP)
Margaret
Last name Carlon
Sex Female
Age 17
Birth year 1910
Birth place England
Arrival year 1927
Arrival city New York
Arrival state New York
Arrival country United States
Ship name Baltic
Country United States
Film number 1755765
NARA roll number 4027
NARA publication number T715
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Immigration & Travel
Subcategory Passenger lists

Ancestry's version
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Margaret Carlon
Arrival Date: 29 Mar 1927
Birth Date: abt 1910
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: ashton makerfield
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Baltic

Use the right hand arrow to view the 2nd image of the set.

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If you already have Catherine Hughes and Michael Carlon's MC, then it would be worth buying a copy of Patrick Gara & Agnes Hugh's.
You can then compare the name given for the brides father.

I have just looked again at the passenger record and the name does look like Mr P, with the overprint I had taken it as Martin for some reason. This marriage of Agnes Hughes to Patrick Gara is most promising. I will suggest getting the marriage cert for them as suggested.

Annie's grandson is coming to Lancs soon to see the area and graves of his family.