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Born 1885 Peterborough was liviing with parents in Long Eaton Derbyshire in1901 age 16 but cannot find him in1911 Census I think he emigrated to America but not sure when would be pleased if anyone could help

many thanks Thomas

for our help ........

his full name is actually Horace Leopald, according to the 1891 Census

1891 Census

Name: Horace Leonard Roper
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's name: Francis John Roper
Mother's name: Martha Roper
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Long Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Long Eaton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Shardlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 2723
Folio: 127
Page Number: 7

Francis John Roper 36 b.ca 1855, Leicestershire, Railway Engine Driver
Martha Roper 35 b.ca 1856, Peterborough
Daniel Will Roper 10 b.ca 1881, Peterborough
Horace Leonard Roper 6
Arthur Edgar Roper 1 b.ca 1890, Long Eaton, Derbyshire

Address:- 25 Bridge St

1901 Census

Name: Horace Leo Roper
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Frances J Roper
Mother: Martha Roper
Birth Place: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Long Eaton
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Ecclesiastical parish: Long Eaton St Lawrence
Town: Long Eaton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Stapleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
e
Piece: 3209
Folio: 97
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 131

Frances J Roper 46 Railway Engine Driver
Martha Roper 45
Daniel W Roper 20 xxxxx xxxxx labourer
Horace Leo Roper 16 Engine Railway xxxxx (Apprentice)
Alice M Roper 13 b.ca 1888, Peterborough, Cotton Winder (xxxx Mill)
Arthur E Roper 11 b.ca 1890, Long Eaton
Ida M Roper 8 b.ca 1893, Long Eaton
Lawrence H Roper 6 b.ca 1895, Long Eaton

Address:- 18 Walton (??) St

The writing is hard to read for their occupations!

Have you found other members of the family on the 1911, or have you only looked for Horace?

Well you were right about him going to the US.


United States, World War One (WWI) Draft Registration Cards,1917-1918 Transcription

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First name(s) Horace Leonard
Last name Roper
Birth year 1884
Birth date 23 Dec 1884
Birth place Great Britain
Residence Shiawasee County
State Michigan
Citizenship country Great Britain
Registration year 1917
NARA series M1509
Record set World War I Draft Registration Cards
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from United States & Canada


He was a machinist and his nearest relative was Mrs FJ Roper, 20 Walton St, Long Eaton, Notts. He was of medium height, slender build with brown eyes, black hair.

from FindMyPast .............


United States, Canadian Border Crossings Transcription

First name(s) Horace
Last name Roper
Sex Male
Age 27
Birth year 1885
Birth country England
Birth place as transcribed England
Event Immigration
Year 1912
Date 1912
State Vermont
Country United States
Source (M1464) Manifests of Passengers Arriving in the St. Albans, VT, District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic Ports, 1895-1954
Source 2 Roll 197, vol 208, Oct-Nov 1912
Record set United States, Canadian Border Crossings
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from United States & Canada


from image (bit hard to read):-

Occupation:- Locomotive Foreman
Left M.S Aug 1912 (can'r read place name)
Place of last Residence: USA, Durand, Mich
Father:- Fred (!!) Roper, 20 Walton, Long Eaton, Engand

Travelling with Eva Roper ............
Wife
Age 29
Born in USA
Father:- O. D. Barnes, R.F.D.2, Byron, Mich, USA

1910 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Horace L Roper Self Married Male 25 1885 England
Race White
Immigration year 1904
Father's birth place England
Mother's birth place England
City/township Vernon
County Shiawassee
State Michigan

Evah L Roper Wife Married Female 27 1883 Michigan



1920 US Census Transcription
Shiawassee
State Michigan

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Horace Roper Self Married Male 34 1886 England
Transcription
Jora Roper Wife Married Female 31 1889 Michigan
Transcription
Leo Lovett Step Son Single Male 6 1914 Michigan




1930 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year
England Horace L Roper Head Married Male 45 1885
Race White
Immigration year 1904
Father's birth place England
Mother's birth place England
City/township Durand
County Shiawassee
State Michigan

Michigan Zora Roper Wife Married Female 42 1888
Transcription
Michigan Jane A Roper Daughter Single Female 10 1920
Transcription
Michigan Eileen D Roper Daughter Single Female 5 1925
Transcription
Michigan Evelyn M Roper Daughter Single Female 0 1930
Transcription
Michigan Leo W Lovett Stepson Single Male 16 1914


Here, Zora states she was 23 at her first marriage. c1911?




1940 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital Status Gender Age Birth year
England Horace L Roper Head Married Male 54 1886
Ethnicity American
Race White
City/township Durand
County Shiawassee
State Michigan
Previous residence date 1935
Previous residence city Same House

Michigan Zora E Roper Wife Married Female 52 1888
Transcription
Michigan Joseph J Fuja Son-in-law Married Male 24 1916
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Michigan Jane A Fuja Daughter Married Female 20 1920
Transcription
Michigan Eileen D Roper Daughter Single Female 15 1925
Transcription
Michigan Evelyn M Roper Daughter Single Female 10 1930
Transcription
Michigan John W Roper Son Single Male 8 1932

hmmmmm

alviegal

IF he gives Mrs FJ Roper, 20 Walton St, Long Eaton, Notts.as his nearest family member ....... what's happened to Eva????

Eva disappears (dies?) between 1910 and 1920 and is replaced by Zora.

from a tree on ancestry

Marriage
21 Apr 1919 • Owosso, Michigan, USA
Zora Ellen Lovett



Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952

Name Horace L Roper
Gender Male
Race White
Birth Year abt 1885
Birth Place England
Marriage Date 21 Apr 1919
Marriage Place Owosso, Michigan, USA
Age 34
Residence Place Owosso
Father F J Rope??
Mother Martha Hibling
Spouse Zora Ellen Lovett
Record Number 10542
Film 146
Film Description 1919 Ontonagon - 1919 Wayne

Household Members
Name Age
Horace L Roper
Martha Hibling
F J Rope??
Zora Ellen Lovett
Julia Foley
William Sa??

http://tinyurl.com/hvmfy7a

(quite a bit of info. on him above. Find A Grave)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Peterborough
Church name St Mark
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 514
Baptism date 18 Jan 1885
Person forename Horace Leonard
Person sex M
Person abode 2 Hove Cottages Westwood Street
Father forename Francis John
Father surname ROPER
Father occupation Stoker
Mother forename Martha

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There's this Horace with a wife Eva. Gives his father's name as Fred Roper but address is 20 Walton, Longeaton, England. Wife gives her father's name as O.D. Barnes, R.F.D. 2 Byron, Michigan, USA. Both say that they are English Citizens but their last permanent address was Durant, Michigan.

Horace Roper

in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
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Name: Horace Roper
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Country: England
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Arrival Date: 1 Nov 1912
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Victorian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Residence Country: USA
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 8

Edit: Sorry should have refreshed the page first, you're all way ahead of me.

The image of the marriage to Zora is on ancestry, but I don't have the WorldWide sub.

Good find Chris :-D :-D

Margaret .....

you managed to decipher some of what I could not!!

Eva did give her father's name and address ...... in Michigan

???


Canada Census 1911 Transcription

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Sex Relationship Birth year Birth place
Horace Roper Male Head 1884 England
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William Roper Male Head 1882 England


EDIT Possibly not as this one was born in May 1884.

Horace L Roper

in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952
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Name: Horace L Roper
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 21 Apr 1919
Marriage Place: Owosso, Michigan, USA
Age: 34
Residence Place: Owosso
Father: F J Rope??
Mother: Martha Hibling
Spouse: Zora Ellen Lovett
Record Number: 10542
Film: 146
Film Description: 1919 Ontonagon - 1919 Wayne

They had each been previously married once. His mother's maiden name Martha Hibling, hers Julia Foley. Impossible to see her father's surname, it's in the fold of the page, begins Sa.

1920 US Census

First name(s) Horace
Last name Roper
Relationship Self
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 34
Birth year 1886
Birth place England
Ethnicity American
Race White
Can write Yes
Can read Yes
Own/rent Own
Spouse's first name(s) Jora
Spouse's last name Roper
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Father's birth place -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Mother's birth place -
City/township -
County Shiawassee
State Michigan
Record set US Census 1920
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from United States & Canada

Darn it!!

Horace doesn't give the date he entered the US

He is a Machinist with the R.R Co ....... ??Rail Road?

Zora says she and her father were born in Michigan, but her mother was born in Ireland


Also on there is

Leo Lovett, Stepson, age 6, born Michigan

His immigration year was 1904 according to the 1930 census.

According to the 1930 US Census, Horace emigrated in 1904.