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My great-grandmother, Lilian Elisabeth Nilsson 1897-1969, was born in Gateshead. Her father, Charles Nilsson was Swedish and a machine worker and fixer. He had 7 children born alive but only 4 living in 1911 (only 3 are listed on the census). I'm having difficulty find a mother for Lilian as on the 1911 census the mother is absent and a housekeeper is in her place. Their is Charles, the housekeeper, Lilian and her two sisters (Alice Ellen and Bernadina Annie) listed on the census. The three girls have their place of birth listed as Gateshead.

The confusion comes when I tried to go back and find a name for their mother on the 1901 census. I couldn't find anything for 1901. I did however find several other Swedish born Charles Nilsson/Nelson who list their occupation as machine worker/fixer (all roughly the same age) listed on different 1891 census'. This massively confused me as now I'm struggling to find which family Lilian belonged to. We also thought it was a bit coincidentle that 3 different men with different wives and homes all had the same name, were all Swedish and all roughly the same age living in the same area of the north east. Am I reading too much into it or could it be the same man?

I'm also struggling to find a birth record for Bernadina Annie in the U.K. However I did find one for an Anne Bernadina in Sweden at the time of Bernadina's birth so I am confused here too.

The only person alive on that side of my family is my mother and she hasn't a clue about any of it, she had always thought that Lilian (her grandmother) was born and and raised in Sweden and then moved to the north east as an adult but she recalls her mother saying that Lilian lived in Sweden and almost married into Swedish royalty until she met her husband and moved to England. Lots of embellishment obviously but we're all totally clueless now!!

Any insight or help with ANY of this at all would be brilliant.

Thank you.
Kelsey

NILSSON, LILLIAN ELIZABETH FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 975

Yorkshire Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) Catherine
Last name Fellows
Age 19
Birth year 1867
Marriage year 1886
Marriage date 13 Sep 1886
Marriage place Sheffield, All Saints, Brightside
Residence 730 Grimesthorpe Road
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Fellows
Spouse's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's last name Nilsson
Spouse's age 29
Spouse's residence 130 Grimesthorpe Rd
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Nilsson
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-43-2-2
Page 248
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

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charles is a fitter

NILSSON, ALICE ELLEN FALLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 850

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Nilsson Bernhadine Newcastle T. 10b 58

NILSSON, BERNHADINE FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 58

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15 Wharton St Gateshead, Gateshead, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Nilsson Husband Married Male - - - -
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Catherine Nilson Wife Married Female - - - England
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Charles Nilsson Son Single Male - - - England
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Ellen Nilsson Daughter Single Female - - - England
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Lillian Nilsson Daughter Single Female - - - England
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Bernadena Nilsson Daughter Single Female - - - England

6 children born 4 living 2 died

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Scotswood Road, Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Nilsson Head Married Male 33 1858 Machine Repairer Fitter Sweden
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Catherine Nilsson Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Charles W Nilsson Son - Male 2 1889 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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Kate Nilsson Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Newcastle, Northumberland, England

NILSSON, KATE FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B


fellows is mothers maiden name

This is 1911 Census, which is I think the one that Kelsey found.


1911 Census

Name: Charles Nilsson
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Byker
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County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 118 Avondale Rd Byker N C
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Fitter Repairing Mackines
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 30667

Charles Nilsson 53 b. Sweden
Catherine Nilsson 40 b.ca 1871, Bolden, Durham, Married, Housekeeper <<<<<image shows name is Winspeak
Alice Ellen Nilsson 15 b.ca 1896, Gates Head, Durham
Lilian Elisabeth Nilsson 13 b.ca 1898, Gates Head
Bernardina Annie Nilsson 10 b.ca 1901, Newcastle, Northumberland

The census that safc posted .......

15 Wharton St Gateshead, Gateshead, Durham, England

Charles Nilsson Husband Married Male - - - -
Catherine Nilson Wife Married Female - - - England
Charles Nilsson Son Single Male - - - England
Ellen Nilsson Daughter Single Female - - - England
Lillian Nilsson Daughter Single Female - - - England
Bernadena Nilsson Daughter Single Female - - - England


The image shows that the homeowner refused to supply ages of the family family members.

It does show that Charles sr. was born in Sweden, and that wife and children were born in England


The form was filled out by Catherine

NILSSON, CHARLES WILLIAM FELLOWS
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 527

Charles Nilsson and Catherine Fellows were married in Sheffield

Thank you all!

I am still confused though, is the 1911 census from 118 Avondale Road not the correct one? It has the same named father and children, correct ages and correct number of children listed. Surely it has to be them?

I'm still new to this, please forgive my ignorance! :-)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Theodosia Street, Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Nilsson Head Married Male 43 1858 - -
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Catherine Nilsson Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Charles W Nilsson Son Single Male 12 1889 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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John R Nilsson Son Single Male 8 1893 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
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Dora J Nilsson Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Gateshead, Durham, England
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Lillian E Nilsson Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Gateshead, Durham, England
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W Annie Nilsson Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
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Margaret Nilsson Adopted Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - London, Middlesex, England
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Thomas Nesbitt Boarder Married Male 53 1848 Labourer Factory Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
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Lily Foster Boarder Single Female 31 1870 Upholstres Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
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Alice E Foster Boarder Single Female 29 1872 Upholstres Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

w annie could be bernardine

hi

if you buy this birth cert

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Nilsson Bernhadine Newcastle T. 10b 58

it might give you the address

as the 1901 census

Ah, brilliant idea! Thank you :-)

Would you be able to suggest how I could find Charles Nilsson's birth record in Sweden? I know that his father was John (going by what you posted above) but would love a copy of his birth certificate to dig a little deeper.

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Carl Neilson
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Carl Neilson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Gorton, Lancashire, England
Registration District Chorlton
Residence Note Oldham St
Gender Male
Age 23
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Engine Fitter
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birthplace Malmo (F), Sweden
Page Number 18
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 3905/12
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Sarah Worthington Head F 49 Magazines, Cheshire, England
Jas Worthington Son M 19 Gorton, Lancashire, England
Sarah Varty Grand Daughter F 5 Gorton, Lancashire, England
Gustane Akerlind Boarder M 30 Malmo (F), Sweden
Carl Neilson Boarder M 23 Malmo (F), Sweden
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"England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-YFLK : 19 August 2016), Carl Neilson in household of Sarah Worthington, Gorton, Lancashire, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 18, Piece/Folio 3905/12, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 101,775,113.

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England and Wales Census, 1881
Household ID 3728232
Line Number 10
GS Film Number 101775113
Digital Folder Number 101775113
Image Number 01039

Charles Nilsson
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Charles Nilsson
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Elswick, Northumberland, England
County Northumberland
Civil Parish Elswick
Ecclesiastical Parish St Aidan
Sub-District Westgate
Registration District Newcastle Upon Tyne
Residence Note Theodosia Street
Gender Male
Age 43
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birthplace Malms Sweden N B S
Schedule Type 138
Page Number 29
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Charles Nilsson Head M 43 Malms Sweden N B S
Catherine Nilsson Wife F 37 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Charles W Nilsson Son M 12 Sheffield, Yorkshire
John R Nilsson Son M 8 Newcastle On Tyne
Dora J Nilsson Daughter F 5 Gateshead, Durham
Lillian E Nilsson Daughter F 3 Gateshead, Durham
W Annie Nilsson Daughter F 0 Newcastle On Tyne
Margaret Nilsson Adopted Daughter F 6 London
Thomas Nesbitt Boarder M 53 Newcastle On Tyne
Lily Foster Boarder F 31 Newcastle On Tyne
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS9F-12X : 29 August 2015), Charles Nilsson, Elswick, Northumberland, England; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing Westgate subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
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England and Wales Census, 1901

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Nilsson John Richard Newcastle T. 10b 63

NILSSON, JOHN RICHARD FALLOWS
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 63


I can't find a registration for Dora J

So in 1901 he had an adopted daughter? How do I go about finding more on her? I'm using Ancestry.com mainly if that helps. Also, who could the boarders be?

So Charles Nilsson was born in Malms, Sweden in 1958 is that correct?

Any more tips you have for me would be great, I appreciate you're help and if you're able to explain it in lay-mans terms that would be even better!