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I am struggling to find the children of Thomas Harness married in 1868 to Eliza Wackett Caistor Lincs district where do you suggest I go I can not seam to get the census up on family search please...many thanks

here's some possibles to start with

from the GRO

HARNESS, CHARLES HENRY WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 644

HARNESS, TOM WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 640

HARNESS, FRED WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 664

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HARNESS, WILLIAM WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 730

HARNESS, ANNIE ELIZABETH WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 688
HARNESS, KATE WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 663

Name
Thomas Harness
Event Type
Census Event Date
1881
Event Place
Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District
Caistor
Gender
Male
Age
41
Marital Status (Original)
Married
Occupation
Ag Lab
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1840
Birthplace
Great Limber, Lincolnshire, England
Page Number
8
Registration Number
RG11
Piece/Folio
3279/142
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Thomas Harness
Head
M
41
Great Limber, Lincolnshire, England
Eliza Harness
Wife
F
32
Normanby, Lincolnshire, England
John W Harness
Son
M
12
South Kelsey, Lincolnshire, England
Fred Harness
Son
M
6
Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Lilly Harness
Daughter
F
5
Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
William Harness
Son
M
2
Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Annie E Harness
Daughter
F
1
Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England

Mistranscribed on the GRO

HARRISS, LILY WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 691

but correct on freebmd

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
HARNISS Lily Caistor 7a 691

Thankyou very much

Also added on your other thread

HARNESS, ARTHUR WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 674

HARNESS, ERNEST WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 660


HARNESS, GEORGE WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 600


HARNESS, HARRY WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 675 <<<<<<

Probable for the 1911 Eliza a widow with son George...she had 15 children, 2 of whom had died by 1911.

Eliza Harness
in the 1911 England Census

Name: Eliza Harness
Age in 1911: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Normanby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Louth
Search Photos: Search for 'Louth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Medleys Row Edward Street Louth
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Louth
Registration District Number: 421
Sub-registration district: Louth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 19897
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Harness 63
George Harness 21
Edwin Swaby 68
William Crow 23

Birth reg for their 1st child John W shown in the 1881 census above: (Surname mistranscribed)

:
HARNEIS, JOHN WILLIAM MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME WACKETT
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 608

another daughter:

HARNESS, ELLEN ELIZA MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME WACKETT
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 605

and another son: Tom (possible 1st son Tom born 1871 died 1875 see below name registered as Thomas)

HARNESS, TOM MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME WACKETT
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 704


Possible deaths for the 2 children:

Deaths Mar 1889
HARNESS Ernest Aged 0 Caistor 7a 424

Deaths Jun 1875
HARNESS Thomas Aged 4 Caistor 7a 416

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You should avail yourself of this freebie, and download all the census images.
I would also copy and paste all the transcriptions into some text document.

I use notepad, and would save the file as Harness.txt

To open a notepad document, go to the windows start button, then - All programs - Accessories - then double-click on Notepad.

1911
First name(s) George
Last name Harness
Relationship Son
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation -
Age 21
Birth year 1890
Birth place Lincoln Brackenbury
Address 8 Medley's Row Louth
Parish Louth
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Louth
Registration district number 421
Enumeration district 4
District number -
Sub district Louth
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN19897 RG78PN1193 RD421 SD2 ED4 SN138
Piece number 19897
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Eliza Harness Head Widow Female - 63 1848 Lincoln Normanby
George Harness Son Single Male - 21 1890 Lincoln Brackenbury
Edwin Swaby Uncle Widower Male Retired Poulterer 68 1843 Lincoln Louth
William Crow Boarder Single Male Fruiterers Labourer 23 1888 Lincoln Woodthorpe

1901
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Harness
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 61
Birth year 1840
Occupation Garthman On Farm
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed LIMBER
Birth county Lincolnshire
Birth county as transcribed LINCOLNSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) Thomas, Eliza, Arthur, Harry, George, Ellen
Other household member last name Harness
Street Calcethorpe
Town Calcethorpe
Parish Calcethorpe
City -
Country England
County Lincolnshire
Municipal ward -
Registration district Louth
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3085
Folio 53
Page 10
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Harness Head Married Male 61 1840 Garthman On Farm Lincolnshire, England
Eliza Harness Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Normanby Le Wold, Lincolnshire, England
Arthur Harness Son Single Male 15 1886 Agricultural Labourer Thoresway, Lincolnshire, England
Harry Harness Son Single Male 13 1888 Garthman On Farm Thorganby, Lincolnshire, England
George Harness Son Single Male 11 1890 - Lincolnshire, England
Ellen E Harness Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Lincolnshire, England

1891
First name(s) Eliza
Last name Hamies [Ancestry guves Harnies]
Relationship Wife
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 42
Birth year 1849
Occupation -
Birth town Normanby
Birth town as transcribed NORMANBY
Birth county Lincolnshire
Birth county as transcribed LINCOLNSHIRE
Birth place England
Street Maltby
Town Raithby
Parish Raithby
City Louth
County Lincolnshire
Registration district Louth
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2608
Folio 111
Page 5
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Hamies Head Married Male 51 1840 Agricultural Labourer Lincolnshire, England
Eliza Hamies Wife Married Female 42 1849 - Normanby, Lincolnshire, England
Georgiana Hamies Daughter Single Female 24 1867 Domestic Servant Caistor, Lincolnshire, England
Lilly Hamies Daughter Single Female 15 1876 Domestic Servant Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Fred Hamies Son Single Male 17 1874 Agricultural Labourer Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
William Hamies Son Single Male 13 1878 Agricultural Labourer Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Annie Hamies Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Kate Hamies Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Tom Hamies Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Thoresway, Lincolnshire, England
Arthur Hamies Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Thorganby, Lincolnshire, England
Harry Hamies Son - Male 3 1888 - Thoresway, Lincolnshire, England
George Hamies Son - Male 1 1890 - Lincolnshire, England


1871
Piece: RG10/3425 Place: Market Rasen -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: Thornton Le Moor Ecclesiastical Parish: Thornton Le Moor
Folio: 16 Page: 4 Schedule: 25
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HARNESS Thomas Head M M 31 Ag Lab Lincolnshire - Limber
HARNESS Eliza Wife M F 22 Labs Wife Lincolnshire - Normanby
HARNESS John W Son - M 2 Lincolnshire - Moortown
HARNESS Thomas Son - M 2m Lincolnshire - Thornton Le Moor
[Piece 3425 Folio 16 Page Number 4
Ancestry has Harnefs for the first 3, but omits young Thos - the first s is clearly a long s - the descender definitely loops backward]

1841
Piece: HO107/638/0 Place: Part Lindsey -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: South Kelsey Ecclesiastical Parish: South Kelsey
Folio: 16 Page: 2
Address: S Kelsey
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HARNES William M 30 Ag Lab Lincolnshire
HARNES Elizabeth F 25 Lincolnshire
HARNES John M 5 Lincolnshire
HARNES Catharine F 3 Lincolnshire
HARNES Thomas M 2 Lincolnshire
HARNES Sarah F 5m Lincolnshire

1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNK-RZL
TNA Class'n No. HO107 Piece/Folio 2114 / 199 Page Number 6
William Harness Head M 40 Keelby, Lincolnshire Agricultur Labourer
Elizabeth Harness Wife F 35 Hundon, Lincolnshire
John Harness Son M 15 Limber, Lincolnshire
Thomas Harness Son M 12 S Kelsey, Lincolnshire Agricultur Labourer
Sarah Harness Daughter F 10 S Kelsey, Lincolnshire
William Harness Son M 8 S Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Fanny Harness Daughter F 4 S Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Mary Harness Daughter F 3 S Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Richard Harness Son M 1 S Kelsey, Lincolnshire

HARNESS, ELIZABETH 36 Order
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in CASTOR Volume 07A Page 381

1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7HN-TLJ
Event Place South Kelsey, Lincolnshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish Caistor
Registration District Caistor
Residence Note Moorton
Piece/Folio 2393 / 25 Page Number 13
William Warness Head M 50 Tealby, Lincolnshire Widower Agricultural Labourer
Fanny Warness Daughter F 15 South Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Mary Warness Daughter F 13 South Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Richard Warness Son M 11 South Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Annie Warness Daughter F 9 South Kelsey, Lincolnshire
Maria Clark Visitor F 22 Scotter, Lincolnshire
[Ancestry gives Harness]

Maybe:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HARNESS, ANN ELIZABETH RILEY Order
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in CASTOR Volume 14 Page 319


1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7CM-V9Y
Piece: RG9/2402 Place: Barton -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: South Killingholme Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 50 Page: 5 Schedule: 21
Address: Bowers Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HUMPHREY John Head M M 34 Farmer 154a Emp 3lab 1boy Lincolnshire - Immimgham
HUMPHREY Anne Wife M F 39 Farmers Wife Lincolnshire - Horkstow Grange
HUMPHREY Elizabeth Sister U F 31 Farmers Dau Lincolnshire - Immigham
ROBINSON Susanna Servnt U F 16 Dairy Maid Lincolnshire - S Killingholme
HARNES George Servnt U M 24 Waggoner Lincolnshire - South Kelsey
STANEWELL Henry Servnt U M 18 Groom Lincolnshire - Messingham
HARNESS Shawn Servnt U M 51 Head Waggoner Lincolnshire - South Kelsey
[Both Ancestry & FMP list Shawn a=51 as Thomas a=21]

*** EDIT Added
1871
Street Halfway House
Parish South Kelsey
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Registration district Caistor
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 3421 Folio 68 Page 8
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Harness Head - Male 60 1811 - Lincolnshire, England
Catherine Neilson Sister - Female 62 1809 - Lincolnshire, England

Eliza + folks
1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7MM-ST4
Piece: HO107/641/0 Place: Part Lindsey -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 17
Civil Parish: Nettleton Ecclesiastical Parish: Nettleton
Folio: 7 Page: 6
Address: Nettleton
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WACKET William M 20 Ag Lab Outside Census County (1841)
WACKET Elizabeth F 20 Lincolnshire
WACKET Sarah F 4 Lincolnshire
WACKET Joseph M 3 Lincolnshire
WACKET Benjamin M 1 Lincolnshire

1851
Name Eliza Warkis
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Thoresway, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District Caistor
Gender Female
Age 2
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1849
Birthplace Normanby, Lincolnshire
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 2114 / 322 Page Number 13
William Warkis Head M 38 Hesington, Hertfordshire
Elizabeth Warkis Wife F 36 Claxby, Lincolnshire
Sarah Warkis Daughter F 14 Nettleton, Lincolnshire
Joseph Warkis Son M 12 Nettleton, Lincolnshire
Benjamin Warkis Son M 10 Nettleton, Lincolnshire
William Warkis Son M 8 Nettleton, Lincolnshire
Charlotte Warkis Daughter F 7 Ludford, Lincolnshire
Ann Warkis Daughter F 4 Ludford, Lincolnshire
Eliza Warkis Daughter F 2 Normanby, Lincolnshire
Tom Warkis Son M 0 Normanby, Lincolnshire
John Prescott Brother-In-Law M 21 Nettleton, Lincolnshire
[Ancestry has Warket]

1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7HN-1ZZ
Piece: RG9/2393 Place: Caistor -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 22
Civil Parish: Normanby Ecclesiastical Parish: Normanby
Folio: 138 Page: 11 Schedule: 52
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WARKET William Head M M 45 Ag. Lab Hertfordshire - Hessington
WARKET Elizabeth Wife M F 43 Lincolnshire - Nettleton
WARKET Eliza Dau U F 12 Lincolnshire - Normanby
Page: 138/12 WARKETT Thomas Son U M 10 Lincolnshire - Normanby
WARKETT Charles Son U M 6 Lincolnshire - Normanby
WARKETT Emma Dau U F 3 Lincolnshire - Normanby
WARKETT Frederick Son U M 1 Lincolnshire - Normanby
***** [2 images - h/h crosses page boundary] *****

1871
Piece: RG10/3421 Place: Caistor -Lincolnshire Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: South Kelsey Ecclesiastical Parish: South Kelsey
Folio: 69 Page: 10 Schedule: 49
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WACKETT William Head M M 56 Ag Lab Hertfordshire - Easington
WACKETT Betsey Wife M F 54 Lincolnshire - Claxby
WACKETT Charles Son - M 16 Ag Lab Lincolnshire - Normanby
WACKETT Emma Dau - F 14 Lincolnshire - Normanby
WACKETT Frederick Son - M 11 Ag Lab Lincolnshire - Normanby
WACKETT Georgiana Dau - F 4 Lincolnshire - Caistor

WACKETT, JOSEPH PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in CAISTOR UNION Volume 14 Page 253

WACKETT, BENJAMIN PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in CAISTOR UNION Volume 14 Page 273


WACKETT, WILLIAM JOHN PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 14 Page 290

WACKET, CHARLOTTE PEVOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in SOUTH UNION Volume 14 Page 440
[South for Louth typo reported to GRO]

WHACKET, MARY ANN PEASGOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in LOUTH UNION Volume 14 Page 521

WHACKETT, ELIZA PESCODD Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 14 Page 328

WACKETT, THOMAS PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in CASTOR Volume 14 Page 318


WACKETT, JOHN PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in CASTOR Volume 07A Page 555

WACKITT, CHARLES PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in CASTOR Volume 07A Page 523

WACKETT, EMMA REBECCA PRESCOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in CASTOR Volume 07A Page 577

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EDIT Added:

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-9657
Event Place Nettleton, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District Caistor
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 3279/146 Page Number 16
William Wackett Head M 67 Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth Wackett Wife F 64 Claxby, Lincolnshire, England
Frederick Wackett Son M 21 Normanby Le Wold, Lincolnshire, England
Georgina Wackett Grand Daughter F 14 Caistor, Lincolnshire, England

I presume these are the 15 kids with 2 deaths:

Marriages Sep 1868 (>99%)
HARNESS Thomas Caistor 7a 1031
Wackett Eliza Caistor 7a 1031
etc


Georgeiana [Harness?] abt 1867 Caistor?

*HARNEIS, JOHN WILLIAM WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 608

HARNESS, TOM WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 640


HARNESS, CHARLES HENRY WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 644

HARNESS, FRED WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 664

*HARRISS, LILY WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 691

HARNESS, WILLIAM WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 730

HARNESS, ANNIE ELIZABETH WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 688


HARNESS, KATE WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 663

HARNESS, TOM WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 704

HARNESS, ARTHUR WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 674

HARNESS, HARRY WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 675

HARNESS, ERNEST WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 660

HARNESS, GEORGE WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 600


HARNESS, ELLEN ELIZA WACKETT Order
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 605


Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
HARNESS Thomas 4 Caistor 7a 416

Deaths Mar 1889 (>99%)
HARNESS Ernest 0 Caistor 7a 424

Name: Age at Death (in years):
HARNESS, ERNEST 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 424

Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
Harness Thomas 62 Louth 7a 355

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
HARNESS Eliza 65 Louth 7a 877

Note that the 1871 census for Eliza's parents has the entry:
WACKETT Georgiana Dau - F 4 Lincolnshire - Caistor

I can't find any suitable birth in Caistor 1865-1869 no georgeiana's nor unnamed female. I son't think the birth was rego'ed - there was no penaly for not rego'ing pre-1875.

Since Georgiana is 50 y younger than Betsey, "dau" is highly unlikely. I believe it should br "grand-dau", and that Georgiana is Eliza's kid.

I don't know what the situation was before a law was passed in the 1870s or 1880s, but the new law said that if a child's parents were unmarried, and free to marry each other when the child was born, and they subsequently married each other, then the child became legitimate from the date of the marriage (or the enactment of the law - whichever came later).

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EDIT

I've just found Georgiana in 1881, and she's given as Grand Daughter, so I guess the situation's now resolved - I edited my Eliz's folks post to give the 1881 details.