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Hello i am at a lost i am looking for 2 people first one is
Lucy Hawthorne i have her christening 1854 in in all census to 1881 age 25 staying with
William Richardson head 21
Hennrietta wife 21
Thomas Hawthorne in law 7
Lucy sister inlaw 25
Henrietta Hawthorne daughter 2
Second one i am looking for is hennrietta Hawthorne age 2 who i think may belucys daughter cannot find no birth or christening
It just seems after the 1881 census both have disappeared
Amy help would be appreciated
Susan

Where are they in 1881 as not picking them up

FMP couldn't find them
Ancestry has different spelling

VIEW 1881 England Census

Name: Henrietta Richardson
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William Richardson
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Broughton in Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 32 Hatton St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Fustian Cutter
Registration district: Salford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3952
Folio: 134
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William Richardson 21
Henrietta Richardson 21
Lucy Hawthorn 25
Henrietta Hawthorn 2
Thomas Hawthorn 15

It is'with the e on the end on the census sheet

Not seeing them after the 1881 census either

Hi yes it is hawthone and also hawthon and yes after 1881 census both lucy 25 and Henrietta 2 have just disappeared

The birth should be register and will come under Ashton under lynne

These are the only two who have the same mmn first one is a bit too eariy but posting as it comes up

HAWTHORN, ELIZA - Order
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 477
HAWTHORN, ETHEL - Order
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 506

Think Ethel married in1908
ETHEL
Last name HAWTHORN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1908
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ETHEL HAWTHORN married
John Booth
District Ashton under Lyne
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Page 707
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

So she,s not connected

??


Marriages Jun 1886

BULLOCK Sophia Ashton 8d 734
>>>>>>Cheetham Charles Ashton 8d 734
>>>>>>Hawthorne Lucy Ashton 8d 734
Sheldon Alfred Higginbottom Ashton 8d 734




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Pitt Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England


>>>>>Lucy Cheetham Head Widow Female 37 1854 Housekeeper Staffordshire, England
Transcription

Harry Cheetham Son Single Male 16 1875 Felt Hatter Lancashire, England
Transcription

>>>>>Etty Cheetham Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Lancashire, England

That's a good one Choccy

Ancestry and FMP aren't listing that

I had tried for a Hettie born c1879 but not Etty and nothing
Good Find :-D

Did she then remarry
LUCY
Last name CHEETHAM
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1907
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LUCY CHEETHAM married one of these people
Joseph Kay, Harry Boulton
District Ashton under Lyne
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Page 647
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Thank you everyone for your help i will have to check them out tomorrow ??

NOT the right Lucy Cheetham who married Harry Kay in 1908

BOULTON, FREDERICK HENRY CHEETHAM
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 511



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

85 Bollington St Ashton U Lyne, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England


Harry Boulton Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 26 1885 Staffordshire Knutton

Lucy Boulton Wife Married Female - 26 1885 Lancashire Manchester

Frederick Henry Boulton Son - Male - 3 1908 Lancashire Ashton U Lyne

Hawthorn was lucys maiden
>>>Lucy Cheetham Head Widow Female 37 1854 Housekeeper Staffordshire, England
Transcription

Harry Cheetham Son Single Male 16 1875 Felt Hatter Lancashire, England
Transcription

>>>>>Etty Cheetham Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Lancashire, England
Sorry not my family as lucy hawthorn was single in the 1881 census so no son born to her in1875
Thanks choccy wish it was ??

NameHarry BoultonEvent TypeMarriageEvent Date11 Feb 1907Event PlaceSt Peter, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, EnglandGenderMaleMarital StatusSingleFather's NameHenry BoultonSpouse's NameLucy CheethamSpouse's GenderFemaleSpouse's Marital StatusSingleSpouse's Father's NameFrederick Cheetham

Not my lucy hawthorn as her father was henry hawthorn not frederick cheetham
I do appreciate your help choccy ??

This might help lucy hawthorn christened 1854
To Henry Hawthorn and mary browning

sister
Henrietta Hawthorne
Gender Female
Christening Date 05 Aug 1860
Christening Place SAINT MARY,STAFFORD,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Henry Hawthorne
Mother's Name Mary
Citing this Record

Lucy Hawthorn
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Apr 1854
Christening Place LANE END,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Henry Hawthorn
Mother's Name Mary
Citing this Record

Henry Hawthorne
Birth Date 1831
Age 23
Spouse's Name Mary Browning
Spouse's Birth Date 1833
Spouse's Age 21
Event Date 1854
Event Place St James', Longton, Stafford, England
Father's Name William Hawthorne
Spouse's Father's Name Luke Thomas Browning

???????? dob is 6 yrs out
Marriage: 6 Apr 1901 St Oswald, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lowe - 39, Hatter, Widower, 7 Upper Vauxhall St.
Lucy Chatham - (X), 41, Widow, 7 Upper Vauxhall St.
Groom's Father: Thomas Lowe, Mechanic
Bride's Father: Henry Hawthorn, Tailor -----------------
Witness: William Hawthorn; Sarah June Hawthorn
Married by Banns by: A. W. Taylor
Register: Marriages 1893 - 1905, Page 167, Entry 334
Source: LDS Film 2148023

It could be that the son Harry Cheetham was the Grooms son by a previous marriage
as Lucy didn't marry Charles Cheetham till 1886

If it's the right man he was considerebly older than her

Deaths Mar 1889
Cheetham Charles 89 Ashton 8d 387

Mother's Maiden Surname: 
 
HAWTHORN, HENRIETTA    
BREEN  

GRO Reference: 1879  J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B

Mother's Maiden Surname: 
 
HAWTHORNE, HENRIETTA    
FITCHETT  

GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in COVENTRY  Volume 06D  Page 546

there is a henrietta born in Staffordshire looks like mother was not married but this one says born 1876

HAWTHORNE, HENRIETTA  HULSE  
-  

GRO Reference: 1876  S Quarter in WOLSTANTON  Volume 06B  Page 128

Hi i would like to thank every one for your help with lucy Hawthorne
I would say it is lucy who married cheetham the lowe as on lowe marriage it has her father and also in the presence of her brother william hawthorn and his wife Sarah june
Thanks again
Susan :-D