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I am looking for descendants of Edith and Sidney Counsell. Frederick, Eileen, Dorothy or their descendants William T Banks or David J Banks. They are all from in or around Greenwich area in London. Thanks if anyone can help.

Any dates to help us?

And have you looked for info yourself on freebmd?

Marriages Dec 1935 (>99%)

Counsell Sidney F C Drapper Camberwell 1d 1375
Drapper Edith M Counsell Camberwell 1d 1375

What connects the two Banks males to this couple?

ADDED

Eileen married a Banks

COUNSELL SIDNEY F C 1916 1944 1944 Deaths & burials Deptford, London, England

Frederick C born Bermondsey
Eileen R ditto
Dorothy ditto
Peter born Surrey
Valerie P born Greenwich

??????

COUNSELL EDITH MAUDE 1916 1971 1971 Deaths & burials Lewisham, London, England

Sandra has Edith Drapper, 1915, Peckham, in her tree.

There are others with Edith Drapper born Lambeth or St Olave in their trees on here.

There are only 2 births on free bmd for Edith Drapper between 1910 and 1920, both being Edith M.

Births Dec 1915
Drapper Edith M King St.Olave 1d 383
Drapper Edith M Curtis Lambeth 1d 675

Camberwell included Peckham


Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)


Curtis Ethel Drapper Camberwell 1d 1213
Drapper Ernest Curtis Camberwell 1d 1213

There is no DOB on the death record ( info above), so the YOB would be taken from the age at death.

The death was registered in JFM 1971 - well before the lady's birthday for that year

Thanks for your replies. It is beginning to look to me that I may be looking at the wrong Edith M Drapper. There is an Edythe M Drapper born the same year and I have found a marriage for her to a Grant, christian name unknown, but could be John. This was in Cairo during 1941-1945. I did contact the consulate in Cairo for info, but they did not reply. This lady died in 2002, but I did try checking if there were any children from that marriage. Still ploughing through that as there are many many and I have no way of knowing whether or not any children were born in UK or abroad. It is possible that they are one and the same and she remarried. She left home when she was a teenager, at Cedric Road New Eltham and what happened to her after that is very vague. I do appreciate the info you have taken the trouble to find for me.
Sandra

It would help us to help you if you told as ALL you know about this woman

You say she 'left home', so who were her parents?

If she married anyone, she should have named her father on the cert.

What are you actually hoping for?

Hi Jacqueline

The information I have is as follows:
Edith M Drapper born 1915 in Peckham/Camberwell to Ernest Drapper (born 1889 -1947) and Ether - nee Curtis (born 1889-1939). They lived in Cedric Road New Eltham. Edith had two younger brothers, Alan born 1925 and Donald born 1927. They were young when she left home. It was believed that she may have gone to America, although she may have been too young to travel without her parents consent. Her father tried to trace her through the Salvation Army, but they traced her to France and then the trail went cold. It was war time when he did this and the Salvation Army believed she may have been working for the French Resistance.Donald said he couldn't remember much about it, but she came home briefly in 1947 when her father died to collect her inheritance and they belive that her name was then Grant. There was a rumour that she was made to leave home because she was pregnant. We would like to find any relatives of hers, as Donald's wife (he passed on unfortunately) has photographs of Edith as a child and she wants to pass them on to any family she may have. Edith was my husbands aunt. We shall have to get a marriage certificate for her. I was tring to do a bit more detective work as I could be researching the wrong lady.
Thanks so much.
Sandra

Certs are not optional when doing this kind of research........they are essential

First name(s) EDYTHE MAY
Last name GRANT
Gender Female
Birth day 25
Birth month 8
Birth year 1915
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 2002
District KENSINGTON & CHELSEA
District number 2391C
Register number C14C
Entry number 028
Date of registration mm/yy 0402


First name(s) EDYTHE M
Last name DRAPPER
Year range 1941-1945
Marriage place CAIRO
Country EGYPT
Record Source GRO Consular Marriages (1849-1965)
Volume 39
Page 108

The spelling of the forename is not as registered when she was born, but that may have been an affectation on her part

The birth cert would tell you her DOB, and second name, which you can cross-reference with the death info

You could also get the death cert, to find out who the informant was.

If she had surviving family, one of them would probably have registered the death

The marriage cert can be ordered from the GRO in exactly the same way as those for England and Wales. Her father's name will be on it

No children registered in England or Wales, and the consular birth index does not include MMN

Thank you. I will look at these certificates and take it from there. I realise I will not get any further without them, without a relative seeing this.
Regards
Sandra

Further information regarding the above marriage.......


England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
about Edith May Drapper Name:Edith May Drapper
Father's Name:M F Grant
Spouse's Name:John Adrian Grant
Marriage Date:5 Apr 1945
Marriage Place:Cairo, Egypt

At H.M. Consulate General, Cairo, John Adrian Grant, H.M Foreign Services, elder son of Colonel and Mrs M F Grant, Bredon House near Tewksbury....to Edith May Drapper.

(There is number written on the record........1741945)

Edit: Looking closer at the record.......the number is covering her name but it is written as "Edythe".



England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
about John Adrian Grant Name:John Adrian Grant
Father's Name:M F Grant
Spouse's Name:Edythe May Drapper
Marriage Date:5 Apr 1945
Marriage Place:Cairo, Egypt



Prickles.

Same place of death as Edythe........

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about John Adrian Grant Name:John Adrian Grant
Birth Date:25 Jun 1915
Date of Registration:Feb 1993
Age at Death:77
Registration district:Kensington and Chelsea
Inferred County:London
Register Number:A43A
District and Subdistrict:2391A
Entry Number:8

Thanks PricklyHolly

Edith's father-in law

First name(s) Montagu Fredrick
Last name Grant
Relationship to household head Boarder
Marital condition Single
Gender Male
Age 33
Birth year 1878
Birth place Lincolnshire Market Harborough
Occupation Captain R A M Corps
Address Grosvenor Road Westminster
Parish St Margaret and St John
County London
Country England
Registration district St George
Registration district number 5
Subdistrict St Margaret and St John
Subdistrict number 3
Enumeration district 7
Piece number 472


Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
Grant Montague F S. Stoneham 2c 159
Roberts Winifred M M S Stoneham 2c 159



Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Grant John A Roberts St Geo. H Sq. 1a 632

No idea if this connected.........but let's see where it goes!


Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
Grant Montague Frederick Market Harborough 7a 13

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Montague Frederick Grant Name:Montague Frederick Grant
Regiment or Corps:Royal Army Medical Corps