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I am looking for any information on 1057912 Sergeant William Oates RAFVR who lost his life on the 15/12/1941 in Hampden AT133 EQ-X 408 Squadron RCAF, in a bombing operation over the docks in Cherbourg. According to the Squadron ORB the aircraft left RAF Balderton at 00.30 hrs on the 15/12/1941 and nothing more was heard. His name along with those of his crew mates are on the Runnymede Memorial.
This was his first operational trip.
His age and next of kin are what I am looking for but any other information is most welcome.
Thanks Pete
RAF Balderton research group

You will find his age and next of kin if you order his service records from the MOD.

Cost is £30.

This will tell you how to go about ordering them:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

Kath. x

Thanks Kath I will give it a go

http://www.unithistories.com/officers/RAFVR_officers_O01.html

Says you can email site owner who may be able to help with persons not listed there.

Brtishnewspapers Newcastle Journal 12th Jan 1943. have an articial in which Wm Oates is mentioned,

The Rev Spencer Wade Rector of Whalton Morpeth wrote a hymn,

For those that Fly.

with it comes a tribute to.

in tender &affectionate memroy of our dear Bill.who gave his life while bombing Cherbourg 15Dec 1941.Bill was the Rectors nephew ,Sergeant-Observer Wm Oates came from Ladysmith to Skerry College in Newcastle and with the Rectors son joined the RAF.

this may help define the family?

Skerrys College was located in Ellison Place..Newcastle.

(for Spencer above)

Chris :)

Deaths Mar 1976 (>99%)
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WADE SPENCER 30MR1888 DURHAM S W 1 1864


01 January 1942 - Newcastle Journal - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Tyne

Leading Aircraftman J. Basil S. Wade, only son of Rev. Spencer and Mrs. Wade. The Rectory, Whalton, and Miss Isabel Edith Coates, Belfast, have been married at Dundalk.


Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Wade John B S Hindmarch Auckland 10a 554


Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Hindmarch Annie Wade Auckland 10a 370
Wade Spencer Hindmarch Auckland 10a 370


1939 Register (Find My Past)

Whalton Rectory Whalton , Castle Ward R.D., Northumberland,
John B S Wade 31 Aug 1920 Male Student Single
Shencer Wade 30 Jun 1888 Male Married Clerk in Holy Orders. Rector of Whalton
Annie Wade 04 Nov 1888 Female Unpaid Domesic Duties


(looks to be South Africa, Ladysmith)

??.
Sarah E Wade married John W Oates in 1915.Auckland Durham.


1939.

64 Weldon Crescent , Newcastle-upon-Tyne C.B., Northumberland, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Sarah E Oates 24 Apr 1883 Unpaid Domestic Duties
William Oates 06 Aug 1920 At School

Ladysmith was school I think.

Thanks Guys for all the info will have to see if he was a south African

1891 (Find My Past)
Wilson Wade Head Married Male 42 1849 Manager Of Coal Mine Horsforth, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Wade Wife Married Female 40 1851 - West Auckland, Durham, England
Robert Wade Son Single Male 21 1870 Coal Miner West Auckland, Durham, England
Elizabeth Wade Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - West Auckland, Durham, England
Mary Wade Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Dressmaker West Auckland, Durham, England
Jane Wade Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Scholar West Auckland, Durham, England
Sarah Wade Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Shildon, Durham, England
Wilson Wade Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Shildon, Durham, England
Spencer Wade Son - Male 3 1888 - West Auckland, Durham, England
Street Johnson Terrace
Town West Auckland
Parish West Auckland
County Durham
Registration district Auckland
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4075
Folio 48
Page 34

(if the family above)

1901, 1911 Sarah with Elizabeth Ormston (Sister. Auckland, Durham)

Chris :)

(worth a check in 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') Spencer is there, as is Wilson Wade. In fact one member Quinsgran, does post here sometimes for 'look up's', they might know of Oates family)

Thanks Chris will give it a try

Passenger List,

As per marriage of Sarah E Wade to John W Oates.

1922,

Mrs SE Oates.and son.52,Front Street, St Helens Auckland.
Master W Oates.Auckland, (Durham)?
to Port Natal Durban SA.,

1925.

J W Oates.
Mrs SE Oates.
Master R.
Master W.
Miss D.
C/O 1.King Street Chambers,
Leeds.
Port Natal Durban SA.

1910 ,JW Oates to Natal Durban SA a miner single.


1912.JW Oates also went to SA in ,a miner,single.

1915 then again with Mrs Oates.a miner.
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William Oates seems likely to have been born been born in SA.as were the siblings.

In coming passenger list may find them on a return list into the UK.

http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1423013

(possible John W)

Chris :)

http://www.eggsa.org/librarySearch/searchGraves.htm

(one also age not clear) OATES Richard Reginald -1956
Dick OATES)

Edits (no, aged 55 below)

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm30ddf0?20161127220132882BCA68&DN=00000005

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

(National Archives of South Africa (NASA)

Male
Age 35
Birth year 1919
Marital status M
Occupation CLERK
Departure year 1954
Departure day 4
Departure month 2
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port DURBAN (PORT NATAL)
Destination DURBAN (PORT NATAL)
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name ARUNDEL CASTLE
Ship official number 14175
Ship master's first name D
Ship master's last name MACKENZIE
Ship master's title CAPT
Shipping line UNION CASTLE LINE
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship registered tonnage 10875
Number of passengers 508
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from

The Master R Oates as above.?

(Robert 6 William 4 Dorothy 2)

UK Incoming

John William Oates
43 abt 1882 24 May 1925 Durban, South Africa London, England

Chris :)

Edits

10 February 1937 - Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail - Hartlepool, Durham

Hartlepool Visitor FROM AFRICA’S SUNNY CLIME Eighteen-year-old Robert Oates of Ladysmith. South Africa, has travelled nearly 7.000 miles to see England, the Coronation, and his relatives at Hartlepool. He arrived on Saturday with his mother and brother William...

Just found &read that articale Chris,

:-)
Think it pretty well sums up that we have the right man &Sgt W Oates was born in SA, 1920 .of English parents.

This is great Guys you have all been so helpful Thank you all very Much :-)

JOHN BASIL S
Last name WADE
Gender Male
Age 42
Birth year 1912
Occupation LINEN MERCHANT
Departure year 1954
Departure day 26
Departure month 6
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port BOMBAY
Destination BOMBAY
Country INDIA
Destination country INDIA
Ship name CILICIA
Ship official number 165934
Ship master's first name J L
Ship master's last name GIBSON
Shipping line ANCHOR