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Does anyone have any knowledge of James, he lived in London and also Kent, Yalding area. He was 102 when died in 1956. Any info would be gratefully received

This one for reference:
James Adams
Death Registration Month/Year: 1956
Age at death (estimated): 102
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1073
Have you got the certificate for information about the informant?

Christian, if you are related to him, *you* should give *us* the information you have -- who he was married to, for instance. His marriage certificate would give his father's name, the first thing you need if you want to trace his ancestors, if that's what you want to do.

Knowing how he is connected with you will also provide information that can be useful in searches.

The chance of someone who has knowledge of him ever seeing your post is slim to nil. Other members might be able to help find information, if we know what you're looking for, and what you have so we don't spend time "finding" it.

Many thanks for your reply. I have James marriage certificate to Mary McCarthy 1893 and the death certificate you mention. I cannot find a birth certificate for 1853. James was married before but don't know to whom. He had two children with Mary, Ellen and Julia my grandmother.

On the marriage cert that you have....who is the father and what is his occupation please

Also the witnesses might help

Have you found him in 1911? That ought to give his place of birth.

As you have his marriage certificate to his 2nd wife, then it should give his father's name + his occupation, and the witnesses may be related.

If we can't find a gro ref for a 1st marriage, it may be possible to find a PR of it. The name of the father will help to tie things together.

What years were Ellen and Julia born in ?
Thanks

Think this might be Julia and Ellen, at school.........
1901 England Census
Julia Adams
Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Relation: School Child (Child)
Gender: Female Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Walthamstow Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Walthamstow County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: St Marys Orphanage for Girls
Household schedule number: 1
Mary Fitzgerald 38

...Ellen Adams 7
Julia Adams 6 .....

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1636; Folio: 115; Page: 4.

And this them in 1911, not quite making sense..........
JOHNSON, Mary Ann Wife F 53 1858 Born in Shadwell
SAYERS, Robert Yar Son Single M 20 1891 Mate On Barge Born in Stepney
ADAMS, Nellie Niece Single F 18 1893 Work Man-Crossman Born in Stepney
ADAMS, Julia Niece Single F 16 1895 Shop Girl Born in Stepney

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1565 Reference:
RG14PN1565 RG78PN55 RD20 SD2 ED18 SN168
Registration District: Stepney Sub District: Limehouse Enumeration District: 18 Parish: Limehouse
Address: 10 Batson Street Three Colt Street Limehouse County:
London

Crossed out is husband Steven Johnson age 53, sailman, Grays Essex.

IF Mary Ann Johnson is James Adams' sister, we can try and track her back.
I am assuming she is Mrs Johnson after her marriage to a Mr Sayers.

Marriages Jun 1897
Barnett Richard Stepney 1c 638
Cormack Mary Jane Stepney 1c 638
xxx Johnson Stephen Stepney 1c 638
xxx Sayers Mary Ann Stepney 1c 638

and this could be the birth of Robert:
Births Sep 1890
Sayers Robert Stepney 1c 414

giving this census, with an Adams connection:
1891 England Census
Thomas Sayers Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A Sayers
Gender: Male Where born: Limehouse, London, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews
Town: London County/Island: London
Country: England Occupation: waterside labourer
Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Thomas Sayers 33
Mary A Sayers 32
Emma Adams 16 niece
Lizzie Sayers 10
Louisa Sayers 7
Thomas Sayers 3
Robert Sayers 9/12

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 294; Folio 92; Page 12; GSU roll: 6095404.

and possibly this marriage:
Marriages Jun 1876
xxx Adams Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 434
Goldschmidt Caroline A Bethnal Green 1c 434
Ingberg Solomon Bethnal Green 1c 434
xxx SAYERS Thomas Bethnal Green 1c 434

So can we have James Adams' Father's name, please?

Marriage cert: 12-12-1892 JAMES ADAMS aged 40 widower - dustman- 110 Elsa Street, Limehouse married MARY MCCARTHY aged 23 spinster. Parish Church of our Lady, Stepney. Father WILLIAM ADAMS - Labourer. Witnesses T Sayer and Agnes Gibson.
Death cert: 30-05-1956 JAMES ADAMS aged 102, refuse collector retired, 7 Fairburn Road, Brixton, present at death J Adams son.
On 1861 census I have found a James Adams living in Bethnal Green with a head of the household as William and a sister Mary.
Will keep looking but if you have any more info I would be very grateful.

Do you mean this 1861 census?:
1861 England Census
William Adams
Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elisabeth Adams Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Green Civil Parish: St George in The East County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 3 King Street Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 153

William Adams 32
Elisabeth Adams 28
Elizabeth Adams 9
James Adams 7
Sarah Adams 5
Mary Adams 3
William Adams 1

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 281; Folio: 24; Page: 26; GSU roll: 542606.

Witness T Sayer on the marriage certificate does confirm what I had found about his sister.

What is Mary's Father's name on the marriage certificate?
Thanks

On the death certificate it refers to J Adams, son. Do you have any information about this son?
Thanks

Sorry forget to add that it is Daniel McCarthy. I know that Mary McCarthy was born in Ireland but have no knowledge of the whereabouts except it was thought it was Eire as opposed to what we call Northern Ireland now but no proof. I do not have any info regarding J Adams the son, he must have been from the first marriage. I will have to check later census returns to see if there is a James Adams with a son J Adams.

Hi, Christian.
Do you know if Mary , mother of Julia and Ellen died before 1901 census? Would it fit with what you know of the family ? The girls appear to be in an orphanage and then living with their aunt , as found previously. Did James go on to marry again?

According to free bmd there is no death of the correct age in London for a Mary Adams until 1904 ( from after date of marriage )

Best wishes

vanessa

Do not know when Mary died except that she was alive in the 1920/30's as my father who was born in 1918 remembers her as did some of his siblings. She was not living with her husband do not know why. The marriage certificate of 1893 said she was 23 so that could make a dob about 1870. One of my cousins thought she was about 66 when she died but not sure. She was a Catholic and my father's family when they visited her always came home wet because she had splashed Holy Water on them as she did not like their father who was not a Catholic!
Why Ellen and Julia where in an orphanage we do not know why as we are sure that both parents were alive.
Do not know if James married again.
Thank you all for your help.

Christian