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Thank you everyone for the help on the last family member. I have a new problem if anyone fancies tackling it?

Its regarding my great grandad and granma. They are Phyllis Rudge and John Allcock. I think I have found their marriage,

Name: Phyllis M Rudge
Spouse Surname: Allcock
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1930
Registration district: Birmingham South

but I cannot locate their births. There is a Phyllis M Rudge 1918 but this would make her only 12 years when she married.

I would much apprehiate any help with this one

What does the M stand for

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
Rudge Phyllis May King's N. 6c 455

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
RUDGE Phyllis Mary Wolverhampton 6b 513

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Rudge Phyllis M Mead Cardiff 11a 838

You'd be best to get that M/C for her Dads name then you can pick her up on the 1911

Didn't you see these?

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Rudge Phyllis May King's N. 6c 455

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Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
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RUDGE Phyllis Mary Wolverhampton 6b 513

The only way to be 100% sure you have the correct line is to purchase the marriage cert

Yes I suppose I may have to purchase the certificate. this is the problem with births that are not covered by the free census records.

I do not know what the M stands for. She most probably lived in staffordshire so the Kings Norton sounds most likely

The only free census records that i know of are the 1881, but you can always ask on here for a census look up for the 1911

Does anyone have any idea regarding John

Without info (from the marriage cert) about his age...........and father's details, it would be difficult to give accurate info about him.

Can anyone with access to the 1911 census look up phyllis rudge 1909 kings norton for me?

Would be welcomed

But you still need the M/C to prove that the Phyllis b 1909 is the same one that married John

You need their ages to work backward & that is on their M/C & as Flick has also pointed out it will give you their Dads names too

I was going to see the parents names of phyllis 1909 and ask my grandad about it all. He couldnt put names to dates but at least I could see whether any names jogged his memory before ordering a certificate.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: RUDGE, Phyllis
Address: 195 Court Oak Road Harborne Birmingham

Cost:
You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.



RUDGE, Arthur Head Married M 45 1866 Jobbing Gardener Warwick Edgbaston VIEW
RUDGE, Emily Wife Married
19 years F 45 1866 Northansts Maidford VIEW
RUDGE, Wilfred Son Single M 15 1896 City Counsel Labourer Staffs Harbourne VIEW
RUDGE, Dora Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Staffs Harborne VIEW
RUDGE, Normand Son M 9 1902 School Staffs Harborne VIEW
RUDGE, Doris Daughter F 5 1906 School Staffs Harborne VIEW
RUDGE, Phyllis Daughter F 2 1909 Staffs Harborne VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17931 Reference:
RG14PN17931 RG78PN1093 RD383 SD3 ED21 SN61

Registration District:
Kings Norton Sub District:
Edgbaston Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Harborne


For £9.25, you could eliminate all the doubt.............

The Phyllis at the above address looks to have had the middle name Adela and the only marriage for a Phyllis A is in Birmingham 1937 to a man called Piper.
this family stay at the address for many years ( elec roll)

Have had a quick look but with little success. will come back to this later

best wishes

vanessa
update - Phyllis in this family is definitely still single until 1935 so assume I had found the correct marriage for her to a Mr Piper in 1937.

Births Mar 1908
Allcock John William King's N. 6c 499

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: John William Allcock
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: 1976
Registration district: Sandwell
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 1183


Marriages Dec 1930
Allcock John W Rudge Birmingham S. 6d 469
Rudge Phyllis M Allcock Birmingham S. 6d 469



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Hello, for those of you who are interested I have had some development on the Phyllis situation.

I have found her death, Phyllis May Rudge 1995 in Brum, documented as born 1909.

The birth of a Phyllis May Rudge 1908 Kings Norton, Wolverhampton therefore is the only match

If anyone with access to the 1911 census could look for a Phyllis M Rudge It would be welcomed

This is from a free search on GR.

Rudge Phyilis May 1909 Smethwick Kings Norton

So she was born Smethwick.

Maybe someone will find the full details for you.

Christine

Are you 100% sure that this death refers to your grandmother?

Name: Phyllis May Allcock
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1995
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Register number: C73A
District and Subdistrict: 0611C
Entry number: 240

This looks possible........the spelling is 'interesting'

1911 census - household transcription
Person: RUDGE, Phyilis May
Address: 41 Wills Street Smethwick Staffordshire

Cost:
You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.

RUDGE, James H Head Married M 49 1862 Furnaceman Birmingham VIEW
RUDGE, Prudence Wife Married
27 years F 46 1865 Studley Warshire VIEW
RUDGE, Edwin Thomas Son Single M 23 1888 Rivetter Birmingham VIEW
RUDGE, Edith Dawter Single F 21 1890 Servant Birmingham VIEW
RUDGE, Prudence Florence May Dawter F 14 1897 Smethwick VIEW
RUDGE, Rosehannah Dawter F 11 1900 Smethwick VIEW
RUDGE, Annie Mary Dawter F 9 1902 Smethwick VIEW
RUDGE, James Thomas Son M 6 1905 Smethwick VIEW
RUDGE, William Abaram Son M 2 1909 Smethwick VIEW
RUDGE, Phyilis May Dawter F 2 1909 Smethwick VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17985 Reference:
RG14PN17985 RG78PN1094 RD383 SD4 ED43 SN131

Registration District:
Kings Norton Sub District:
Smethwick Enumeration District:
43 Parish:
Smethwick

Address:
41 Wills Street Smethwick Staffordshire County:
Worcestershire



BUT...the advice would still be to purchase the marriage cert....unless you want to risk following the wrong line

Yes I am 100%, I was actually alive in 1995 and remember not being able to go to the funeral because it was in brum. I have also checked with my notes and her middle name was May according to other family members.

Will hopefully rumage through my grandads stuff this xmas and find her birth and death certificate to confirmt the above butI am now certain this is the right person

Yes I have often noticed that spellings dont remain constant. Particularly with the census records, I think it was often make it up half the time.

It is interesting that she seems to have a twin here? If this is the right person. I never heard about a twin before.