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crush/jeffs/hyam/ lambeth?

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Sarah

Sarah Report 14 Jan 2011 22:48

lenoard victor crush born about 1914 possibly lambeth mother esther jeffs nee hyam. looking for a possible father.Are ther any other crushes in london area about this time/area who could be related.tired all the usual avenues to no avail.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 14 Jan 2011 23:04

Birth register as Jeffs:

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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JEFFS Leonard V C Hyam Lambeth 1d 515

If you order the birth cert it will give you fathers name - if it was registered.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 14 Jan 2011 23:07

Esthers marriage to Jeffs:

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
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>>> Hyam Esther Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 458
>>> Jeffs Joseph Lambeth 1d 458
Jordan Florence Maud Lambeth 1d 458
Kemp James Charles Lambeth 1d 458

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 14 Jan 2011 23:11

It look like Crush was used as a 'middle'name looking at the birth reg

Christian names: Leonard V(victor) C(crush)
Surname: Jeffs

I dont see a likely death for Esthers husband Joseph Jeffs, so every probability he is Leonards father.

Katie

Katie Report 14 Jan 2011 23:38

This looks like Esther in 1911, 6 children born but only 1 alive. Living on her own.
JEFFS, Esther Wife Married
12 years F 37 1874 Char Woman Lambeth VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1802 Reference:
RG14PN1802 RG78PN64 RD23 SD4 ED10 SN299

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Newington North Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
St Mary Newington

Address:
20 Winch Place Deacon St S E County:
London

Katie

Katie Report 14 Jan 2011 23:39

There were lots of Crushes in the London area in 1911.
Katie

patchem

patchem Report 14 Jan 2011 23:39

Esther in 1911?:
JEFFS, Esther Wife Married 12 years 6 children born, 1 living F 37 1874 Char Woman Lambeth

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1802 Reference: RG14PN1802 RG78PN64 RD23 SD4 ED10 SN299
Registration District: Southwark Sub District: Newington North Enumeration District: 10 Parish: St Mary Newington
Address: 20 Winch Place Deacon St S E County: London

And in 1901?:
1901 England Census
Ester Jeffs Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth, London, England Civil Parish: Godmanchester Ecclesiastical parish: Godmanchester St Mary County/Island: Huntingdonshire Country: England Registration district: Huntingdon
Sub-registration district: Huntingdon ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 78

Ester Jeffs 25

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1475; Folio: 124; Page: 11.

patchem

patchem Report 14 Jan 2011 23:41

Free bmd:
Births Sep 1912
Jeffs George W Hyam Southwark 1d 72
Births Sep 1914
JEFFS Leonard V C Hyam Lambeth 1d 515
Births Jun 1916
Jeffs Mary Hyam Lambeth 1d 476

Katie

Katie Report 14 Jan 2011 23:44

Could this be Joseph in 1901??

JEFFS, George Head Married M 78 1823 Living On Own Means
Grafham
Huntingdonshire
JEFFS, Eliza Wife Married F 79 1822
Offord
Huntingdonshire
JEFFS, Joseph Son Married M 50 1851 Ag Labourer Vermin Destroyer
Graffham
Huntingdonshire

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1482 Folio:
67 Page:
1

Registration District:
St Neots Sub District:
St Neots Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Saints Grafham

Civil Parish:
Graffham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cottage In Village, Graffham, Village County:
Huntingdonshire

patchem

patchem Report 14 Jan 2011 23:46

?
Leonard Victor B Jeffs
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: 1981
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 1589

Katie

Katie Report 14 Jan 2011 23:54

Same Joseph in 1911 in the workhouse, perhaps he classed himself as a widower. They seem to have been apart for most of their marriage.

JEFFS, Joseph Inmate Widower M 60 1851 Farm Labourer Hunts Grafham
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8820 Reference:
RG14PN8820 RD173 SD2 ED14 SN9999

Registration District:
St Neots Sub District:
Kimbolton Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
St Neots

Address:
Eaton Socon St Neots County:
Huntingdonshire

Sarah

Sarah Report 20 Jul 2011 21:53

Thank you to every one for your help.

I have managed to get a copy of lens birth certificate, but it does not contain a fathers name.
I have also found out he had 2 brothers and a sister.
len and a sister mary were born at, 16 little paris street, lambeth, 1914-16 and George at 1 Princess Mews, Princess street Southwark 1912.Joseph was born in 1911.
Again no fathers name on birth certificates, which i find strange.

Georges marriage certificate 1944 states that his father was George William Jeffs, deceased, a G P O Foreman ,which confuses things further.
It makes me wonder if they were all illigitimate and he made up his fathers name.
The family lived in Trevelyan Rd SW17 about 1940-60 approx, we think.
I cant find a record of Esthers death, so I presume she may have remarried and died under another name.
My search continues.

Thank you all for the pointers/info
Kind Regards
Sarah
:-)

patchem

patchem Report 20 Jul 2011 21:59

If no Father's name on birth certificate, then illegitimate. If then there is a Father's name on marriage certificate, an invented name. It could be what the child has been told by the Mother, or what the person has invented themselves.