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Has anyone come across the name Bulwer or Bulliver as a first name? My Dymock/Dimmock/Denmark family on the 1841 census shows him as the child of Elizabeth and Harvey Dymock, aged 11.

The family had a son of the right age (Henry Lytton) born in 1830, and he is not present on the census form. I know that he survived and have his marriage and children, but there is no sighting anywhere else of anyone called Bulliver/Bulwer.

I have 'assumed' that they are one and the same, but cannot find a reason for the difference. Can anyone shed any light on this puzzle please?

Pauline Denmark

Maybe it was his nickname

I have a William in my tree & on the 1851 he is down as Dukey

for ref


1841
Address: Butcherly Green, St John, Hertford
DYMOCK, Harvey M 40 1801 Hertfordshire VIEW
DYMOCK, Elizabeth F 35 1806 Hertfordshire VIEW
DYMOCK, William M 14 1827 Hertfordshire VIEW
DYMOCK, Buliver M 11 1830 Hertfordshire VIEW
DYMOCK, Mary F 7 1834 Hertfordshire VIEW
DYMOCK, Charles M 0 (5 months) 1841 Hertfordshire

not much help children of Harvey/ Elizabeth

1. HARVEY DIMMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAY 1839 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
2. SARAH ANN DYMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 NOV 1847 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
3. MARY DIMMICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 JUL 1834 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
4. ANN DIMMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 SEP 1836 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
5. HANNAH DIMMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAR 1843 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
6. SAMUEL DIMMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 SEP 1827 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
7. SAMUEL DIMMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUN 1832 Saint John And All Saints, Hertford, Hertford, England
8. WILLIAM DIMMOCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 AUG 1828 Saint John And All Saints, Hertfo

I have seen the strangest names on the census - nothing would suprise me

HARVEY DYMOCK Pedigree
Male

Christening: 15 APR 1804 North Mimms, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: SAMUEL DYMOCK Family
Mother: ANNE
Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.
Source Information:
Batch Number: 7314214

I have googled buliver and it gives results as a surname.

I have to go now but I am sure you will get some help.

my Dad had his mother's maiden name as his forename - Harman

HENRY LYTTON DIMMOCK Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 JUL 1830 All Saints And Saint John, Hertford, Hertford, England

Parents:
Father: HARVEY DIMMOCK Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Pauline has not returned so pm sent

Hello everyone,

I did send a thank you yesterday, but it appears not to have got through.
So, again, thank you to everyone who responded, It seems that it could be a nickname for Henry, though I don't understand why, but then I haven't come to any conclusion about the middle name Lytton; surely unusual in the family of an ag.lab?

Anyway, once again, many thanks for your kind help.
Pauline Denmark

my maternal line are all ag labs from Berkshire - the Breakspears - and I have found a Prince Breakspear!!! so anything goes!

Wasn't there an author (or perhaps poet or society figure ?) called Bulwer Lytton? Its ringing bells - probably should have Googled it before replying here!

Edit: try this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bulwer-Lytton,_1st_Baron_Lytton

Hi Christine

That's very interesting, and could explain the two names in the DImmock/Denmark line. However, I doubt that the parents were readers of his, since neither of them could write their names! However, it does make me wonder whether, as an Ag Lab, the father Harvey may have worked on the Bulwer-Lytton estate. That is the only reasonable deduction I can make, and I certainly have no proof of its veracity.

I'm being enlighted and educated at the same time......such fun!

Thanks again.
Pauline

Christine has asked me to post what I know of Henry Lytton Denmark:

Parents: Harvey & Elizabeth Dymock/Denmark (nee Adams
Born: Hertford, Bap. 18 Jul 1830
Census: 1851 recorded as Bulwer (I believe), Hertford
Census: 1861 not found
Marriage: 29 May 1866 at St Pancras, Old Church to
Frances Olivia Stephens (born 1839, Cambridge).
Census: 1871 at Church Street, St Nicholas Deptford with Frances and children Henry (5), Sarah (2) and Charles (8 months)
Occupation:Baker
Census: 1881 Frances (Widow) Occupation: Biscuit Baker. 12 Hotham Street, West Ham, Essex
Henry 15 Occupation: Biscuit Baker
Sarah 12 Scholar
Frances 9 Scholar
Mary 7 (born Calais, France)
John 3. There is no Charles on this census.
Census: 1891 11 Cross Street, West Ham, Stratford
Frances (Widow) Occupation: Pastry Cook.
Frances, Henry, Sarah - all Pastry Cook's Assistants, all still single, John is still a scholar
Census 1901 Frances (Widow) Henry and John are Pastrycook/Breadmakers, Sarah and Mary have no occupation. All are still single.
I am unable to find any of them in the 1911 census, but of course the girls may have married by then.
I know that wife Frances died in 1920, so she should be on the census. At the moment, I can't add any further information to this.

Thanks to everyone
Pauline

Name: Henry Litton Denmark
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 55
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a

Name: Henry Lytton Denmark
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Frances Olivia Stephens
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1866
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Harvey Denmark
Spouse Father Name: John Stephens
both father decesed
Henry is a pastry cook and they were living Tottenham court road.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DENMARK, Frances
Address: 27 Greengate Street Plaistow West Ham Essex
DENMARK, Henry Head Married M 42 1869 Coffee And Dining Room Hampsted VIEW
DENMARK, Ellen Wife Married
4 years F 45 1866 Assisting In Business Diss VIEW
DENMARK, Frances Mother Widow F 75 1836 Cambridge VIEW
DENMARK, Mary Sister Single F 35 1876 Assisting In Business Colais Resident

Thank you, LadyKira,

More information for me to work on! I should like to add that since receiving such a lot of help from Members, my fascination with FH has been revived considerably. The only thing is, I haven't managed to find the extra hours I need to pursue everything further..........

Pauline Denmark

You are welcome Pauline