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I am trying to find the family of Elizabeth Dean b 1892 in Wolstanton, Elizabeth married Seth Walley also b1892 of Middlewich Cheshire in July 1916 in Kidsgrove Staffordshire. Fourteen months later in 1917 Seth was killed at the battle of Ypres. We only discovered through my research that he had married the year before his death. It would be wonderful to find out whether Seth and Elizabeth had a child and if not we would like to know what happened to this poor young bride. We hope she went on to have a family of her own. Do get in touch if you are able to help - Thanks Genes community - Viv Higginson - PS- Seth was my husband's Great Uncle.

No Walley/Dean births registered in England or Wales 1916~1918

There is this marriage of an Elizabeth Walley in Wolstanton in 1918 but obviously only a copy of the certificate will reveal if she was a widow:

Name: Elizabeth Walley
Spouse Surname: Bevans
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration district: Wolstanton
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 271

May I ask how you know Elizabeth was born in Middlewich? I can't find an Elizabeth Dean in Middlewich and was wondering if she'd been married before.

Ozi

HI Ozy was it Seth who was born in Middlewich and Elizabeth on Wolstanton.

Maryb

Marriage for reference.


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Seth Walley
Name: Seth Walley
Spouse Surname: Dean
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district: Wolstanton
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 155
Find Spouse: Elizabeth L Dean

Often by the time the CSGC memorial records were prepared, the widow had remarried and her new name appears in the record. Unfortunately, Seth is one of the ones for whom no family information at all is given.

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=825800

Duh, sorry.

Ozi

Still not seeing a birth for Elizabeth. She was Elizabeth L; there are only these two 1888-1895:

Births Dec 1891
Dean Elizabeth Lilian Preston 8e 564
Births Jun 1893
Dean Elizabeth Lavinia Wandsworth 1d 767

Do you know that she was born in Wolstanton (how?), or only that she was married there?

If you're going by her age at marriage, the 1891 birth would fit.


1911 anybody -- for places of birth?

DEAN ELIZABETH 1890 21 Wolstanton Staffordshire

DEAN ELIZABETH 1892 19 Wolstanton Staffordshire


Births Mar 1892
Dean Elizabeth Wolstanton 6b 143

but no middle initial (she may have added a middle name)

On that theory, the Bevans-Walley marriage would look good; no Bevans-Dean births.

But hmm, something's messy.

Marriages Dec 1918
> BEVANS Joseph *Astley* Wolstanton 6b 271
Knapper Gladys Pepper Wolstanton 6b 271
Pepper William H Knapper Wolstanton 6b 271
> *Walley* Elizabeth Bevans Wolstanton 6b 271

Seth Walley
Birth Place: Middlewich, Cheshire
>>>>Residence: Kidsgrovee, Staffs
Death Date: 12 Sep 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Manchester
Rank: Private
Regiment: Manchester Regiment
Battalion: 1/9th Battalion
Number: 34276
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

registration districts for Kidgsgrove
Kidsgrove STS 1894 1922 Wolstanton before 1894 see Wolstanton
Kidsgrove STS 1922 1934 Stoke & Wolstanton
Kidsgrove STS 1935 1974 Newcastle under Lyme

Joseph Bevans
Spouse Surname: Welley ****!!
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration district: Wolstanton
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 271
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

The image actually says WALLEY. It is very fuzzy, even at Ancestry, but the "a" is identical to the "a" in Barnes immediately above, and does not resemble the "e".

I guess the image used by FreeBMD was so much worse that it looked like Astley to the transcriber!


Name: Elizabeth L Bevans
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 54 = c1892/3
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 196

? Note the re-emergence of the "L" middle initial maybe.

Name: Joseph Bevans
Death Registration Month/Year: 1962
Age at death (estimated): 67 = c1894/5
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 372

Hi everyone who helped me last night - I have replied to you all individually but it seems that I should have replied through my thread, sorry I am not used to this - So - thank you all again through my thread ! - Viv

But thank you PMs are nice to get too, so thanks. ;) (Sometimes, if it's been a while, we just don't remember what they're about!)


My mother's uncle was killed in WWI, only a couple of weeks before the Armistice. So much loss, for so little reason.

Your story had reminded me of one I worked on a couple of years ago -- at another site, I was helping someone look for family of her great-aunt's husband. He had been killed at the front shorly after their marriage; she had a miscarriage and died not long after herself. The great-niece wanted to find any living family of the groom so she could share the wedding photos she had, which could be of some comfort to someone.

She didn't know his name and marriages weren't transcribed yet, but I dug through the GRO images and found him. Then I searched here at GR for people who had him in their tree, and contacted four of them.

One replied, and to my amazement, she was his granddaughter. He had had a child back home before he met the great-aunt in Plymouth just before being sent to the front.

The funny part of the story is that when we were chatting by PM, she mentioned having a cousin in British Columbia -- I'm in Canada, but I've never been to BC. ;) She is in Worksop herself, and I said how one of my families is from the area, and in 1994 my mum and I visited the pub in Worksop that my grandmother's uncle from Calverton owned around 1900.

A little while earlier, I'd been contacted through Ancestry by a granddaughter of that uncle. So when I told the woman here at GR about my Worksop connection, she said (changing the names for privacy) ...

"I cant believe what you have just said about Smith family
My friend Jane Smith Jones I think has been in touch with you she has told me about you and about Calverton"

Small world. ;)


I'm glad we could help find answers to your question!

Great story Janey...it certainly is a small world!

Here are those 1911s you asked for, a wee bit late but here they are.


1911 census transcription details for: 11 John St Chesterton
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN16451 RG78PN1019 RD360 SD1 ED13 SN185

Reg. District: Wolstanton Sub District: Wolstanton
Parish: Chesterton Enum. District: 13
Address: 11 John St Chesterton
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
DEAN, Oliver Head Married
3 years M 25 1886 Miner Loader Chesterton Staffordshire
DEAN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 21 1890 Chesterton Staffordshire
DEAN, Eva Daughter Single F 2 1909 Chesterton Staffordshire
DEAN, Hilda Daughter Single F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Chesterton Staffordshire



1911 census transcription details for: 123 Slater St Burslem
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN16497 RG78PN1021 RD360 SD3 ED15 SN179

Reg. District: Wolstanton Sub District: Burslem
Parish: Burslem Enum. District: 15
Address: 123 Slater St Burslem
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
DEAN, Emma Head Widow F 42 1869 Staffs Burslem England
DEAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1892 Fettler Staffs Burslem England
DEAN, George William Son Single M 16 1895 Glost Warehouse Staffs Burslem England
DEAN, Samuel Son M 14 1897 Handle Maker Staffs Burslem England
DEAN, Emma Daughter F 10 1901 School Staffs Burslem England
DEAN, Bertram Son M 1 1910 Staffs Burslem England



So it looks like you can rule the first one out.


PS Thank you for your pm, Vivien.


Liz

Hi Liz - Thank you for persevering with this one - I am still not sure as Elizabeth's marriage certificate states Father Albert Dean Engineer's Fitter and I believe he was formerly a coal miner traveling around a bit as the children were born in different parts of Staffordshire. I am very happy with the outcome of asking the Genes community and adding a second marriage to Eliza's story. Have a good weekend - Viv

Ah - is that info about her father new to us?


1901

Name: Elizabeth Dean
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Albert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: Bucknall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Goldenhill
Town: Goldenhill
County/Island: Staffordshire

Albert Dean 37
Elizabeth Dean 38
Charles Dean 16
Earnest Dean 14
Florence Dean 11
Elizabeth Dean 9
Arthur Dean 7
Herbert Dean 5
Martha Dean 2
Edith Dean 2 months


Albert is "Coal Miner Lumber Setter underground", with "C Below" overwritten (as a census category I think; others have "C Hewer", e.g.).

The younger children were born in Goldenhill, the others elsewhere.


What I'm still not understanding is how you have information about Elizabeth's place of birth and siblings, and the father's previous occupation and travels, when you've only recently discovered the marriage. You had all this info already?


Um, yes. You have the children from the 1901 household in your tree.

Are you in touch with the other person who has the Dean children born in Bucknall and Goldenhill in trees?

If you did have that information before - parents and siblings, and other info from the census - it makes sense to disclose it in the first place so others have info for searching.

I still haven't found any of them in 1911, despite much searching. But contacting the person who has them in his tree might lead to family members with info about Elizabeth.

The Joseph Bevans whose death I posted on p.1 was born in Cheshire and is in Cheshire in 1901 and 1911. A GR member has him in her tree.

Hello Vivien

If you wish to amend Seth's record with the CWGC, it is possible. I had four relatives died in WW1, none with their details recorded, and I got them all amended, plus one in WW2. The most tragic was my great uncle Leonard Stokes who married Alma Beverley Wilkinson at the age of 18, and four months later was killed in France. Probably totally unaware that his new bride was pregnant. She had little Alma almost exactly 9 months after her marriage. The little mite sadly died of diptheria aged 15 months. Telling you that tale has just reminded me that somebody gave me a lead about a second marriage for Alma which I haven't followed up.

Anyway, I got the records amended to include his wife as well as his parents. They wanted copies of all relevant certificates to ensure they were amending the right person, but it was free to do, and now has the record straight.

MEADON, John George Head Married M 44 1867 Grocers Manager Birkenhead Cheshire VIEW
MEADON, Hannah Wife Married
18 years F 46 1865 Newcastle Staff VIEW
MEADON, Hannah D Daughter Single F 16 1895 School Newcastle Staff VIEW
DEAN, Florrie Servant Single F 21 1890 Gen Servant Domestic Austerton Staff VIEW
DEAN, Lizzie Servant Single F 19 1892 Gen Servant Domestic Austerton Staff VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16537 Reference:
RG14PN16537 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED27 SN140

Registration District:
Stoke upon Trent Sub District:
Hanley Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
Hanley

Address:
2 Howard Place Hanley Stoke on Trent County:
Staffordshire

And their parents:

DEAN, Albert Head Married M 47 1864 Coal Miner Hewer Chesterton Staff VIEW
DEAN, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married
28 years F 45 1866 Newcastle Staff VIEW
DEAN, Arthur Son Single M 17 1894 Stone Worker In Mine Coal Bucknall Staff VIEW
DEAN, Herbert Son M 14 1897 Waggoner Mine Coal Bucknall Staffe VIEW
DEAN, Edith Daughter F 10 1901 Golden Hill Staff VIEW
DEAN, Phillip Daughter F 6 1905 Staffs Sladderhill Chesterton VIEW
DEAN, Evelyn Daughter F 3 1908 Staffs Spring Wood Chesterton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16433 Reference:
RG14PN16433 RG78PN1018 RD359 SD3 ED9 SN230

Registration District:
Newcastle Under Lyme Sub District:
Audley Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Audley

Address:
Sladderhill Cottages Near Chesterton Newcastle Staffordshire County:
Staffordshire