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My husband's father was Frederick Arthur Love, he was born approximately 1894 and married Rosina Chamberlain (then 21 years old) on 18 March 1916. He then lived in Tottenham. N London. His father's name was Frederick (William be believe Love. He was a mystery man as none of the family seemed to have heard him talk about any siblings or his parents and because he lived in the Tottenham Edmonton area it is assumed that he originated from this area. He died on 27 December 1967 aged 73. Any information would be helpful Sheila

I wonder if this is him ???


1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVE, Frederick
Address: 38 Ladysmith Road

VINE, Richard Head Married M 51 1860 Gatekeeper T And E G Co Brighton Sussex VIEW
VINE, Bertha Wife Married F 36 1875 Housekeeper Beds Luton VIEW
VINE, Leslie Son M 8 1903 Hackney VIEW
FLINT, Margaret Boarder Single F 23 1888 Factory Hand Holloway London VIEW
LOVE, Frederick Boarder Single M 17 1894 Florist London VIEW
FLINT, Frederick Infant M 0 (9 MONTH) 1911 Tottenham Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7354 Reference:
RG14PN7354 RG78PN357 RD132 SD5 ED4 SN110

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Edmonton Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Edmonton

Address:
38 Ladysmith Road County:
Middlesex

Had a child called Frederick out of wedlock with Margaret Flint ???

You say Frederick's father was called Frederick, do you know the name of his mother? and If you have the marriage certificate, what was Frederick snr's occupation ?

Was Frederick senior a plumber? If so, this family were living 18 Herbert Rd, All Saints, Edmonton in 1901:

Name: Frederick Love Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick Love
Mother's Name: Harriet Love
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Frederick Love 26 c1875 Islington, London, England. Plumber.
Harriet Love 28 c1873 Islington, London, England.
William Love 5
Frederick Love 4
Bertie Love 2

Actually this 1901 entry ties in better with the initials of father and son:

Name: Fredk A Love
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Frederick W Love 45 c1856 Mile End, London, England. Portmanteau maker.
Eliza Love 31 c1870 Mile End, London, England.
Fredk A Love 6 c1895 Mile End, London, England.
Maude E Love 4
Elisie E Love 1

Living 26 Cumberland Rd, Walthamstow, Essex, England.

Thats a good one Kucinta!!!

Marriage for Frederick William Love portmanteau maker and Eliza:

Name: Frederick William Love
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Spouse Name: Eliza Linnett
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 May 1894
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Ambrose Love

Frederick William Love aged 38, bach, portmanteau maker, son of James Ambrose Love, dec, packing case maker, married Eliza Linnett, spinster, no details of father given. 161 Sidney Street given as address for both Frederick and Eliza. Witnesses Arthur James Thorley and Jane Thorley.

We just need you to confirm Frederick senior's occupation Shiela and we have probably cracked it!!!

Just in case Frederick William Love WAS the portmanteau maker, these are probably the marriage details of his father as the occupation and name both tie in, but you can cross ref with census material later if he was the right Frederick William Love.

Name: James Ambrose Love
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Green
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Dec 1848
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Ambrose James Love

James Ambrose Love, bach of full age, trunk maker, of Stepney, son of Ambrose James Love, book binder, married Elizabeth Green, spinster of full age of Stepney, daur of James Green, shoemaker. The witnnesses were, confusingly, Ambrose James Love and Elizabeth Green (Elizabeth's mother?)

The same family of Frederick William Love portmanteau maker in 1911:

LOVE, Fredrick Head Married 17 years M 35 1876 Port Manthean Maker London Mile End .
LOVE, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1871 London Mile End .
LOVE, Fredrick Son Single M 16 1895 London Mile End.
LOVE, Maud Daughter F 14 1897 Essex Walthamton
LOVE, Elsie Daughter F 11 1900 Essex Walthamton
LOVE, Florence Daughter F 7 1904 Essex Walthamton

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Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Enfield Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Enfield

Address:
18 Millais Road Bush Hill Park County:
Middlesex

Edit to say that on the original image Fredrick sr's age is given as 55 or 56, then a 3 has beeen added in front of it. Somehow the transcriber has turned that into 35, which I suppose is better than 355 or 356!!!

There were four children born of the 17yr marriage, alll of whom were still living at the time of census 1911.

Could you give us some feedback please Sheila?

Possible births for Frederick Arthur's sibs:

Love Maud Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 37 OND 1896
or
Love Maud Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 370 AMJ 1897.

Love Elsie Edith W. Ham 4a 439 AMJ 1900.

Love Florence Mabel W. Ham 4a 485 JAS 1903.

Taken from FreeBMD:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Thanks, Paula

Frederick Love had this name on his marriage certificate but his death certificate stated Frederick Arthur Love. I have assumed the latter to be the real one as Ron's brother was called Frederick and Ron's second name is Arthur. At the time of his marriage his father had Stoker in small arms factory as his occupation and his father,
deceased at his marriage was had been a Skin Dyer.

Unfortunately, no knowledge of his grandmother's name but Ron's sisters' names may give a clue these are Florence, Ellen and Daisy. Hope this helps Thanks Sheila

Anything is possible as Ron knows very little about his father and his brother and sisters are now dead. His father did serve in the Durham Light Infantry during WW1 but I think was injured but he just didn't talk about anything.

Sheila

Ron's eldest sister was named Florence May Love so maybe this name ties in with this family.

The address on Frederick Arthur Love's marriage certificate could be the result of working at the small arms factory in Enfield.

Sorry I'm not being of much help but thank you everyone for all your assistance.

Sheila

Susan

Frederick Senior's occupation given on Frederick Junior's marriage certificate was Skin Dyer. Frederick Junior worked as a Stoker at the Small Arms Factory I assume either Enfield or in the area of Tottenham/Edmonton.

Thansk Sheila

Frederick Love senior's profession was given as skin dyer this is on Frederick Love junior's marriage certificate and Daniel Henry Love was a bootmaker journeyman.

Sheila

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