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My GGrandfather married Harriet Bould, nee Merricks in 1886 as follows

BOULD Harriet Birmingham.6d 223 1 1886

GROVES Annie Birmingham.6d 223 1 1886

GROVES George Birmingham.6d 223 1 1886

HASTILOW Samuel Birmingham.6d 223 1 1886

However, on the marriage certificate it says widowed and he did have a son called

George Alfred Groves born 8th Jan1873 (according to info written down by my great aunt) to his 1st wife althougth no birth certificate has been found. Neither has the 1st marriage certificate. George was born in Lambourne Essex.

Any ideas out there?

Many Thanks in advance

Jane

Maybe George Alfred was born before the 1st Marriage?...reg under 1st wifes maiden name?

Gerri

Sorry, not alot of help is it?

Gerri,

That is what I am worried about because I can't find a relevant marriage so have absolutely no idea where to go from here.

Best Wishes

Jane

do you have him on census and what is his dob ?

June x

How old was George on his 1886 marriage cert?

I cant even see any Marriages in Essex around 1873!

I do love a puzzle but this is a headache!!...and i hate something beating me...

This is him on the 1881

Name: George Edd. Groves
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Leominster, Hereford, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: CT 21 H6 Bissell St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Warehouseman

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Groves 1
Emily Groves 17
George Groves 8
George Edd. Groves 41
Harriett Groves 34
William Groves


Best Wishes

Jane

Gerri,

Will check marriage certificate for age but on the piece of paper my great aunt left it says born 1840, off hand I think it says 22 April.

BW

Jane

1901 is this him

Name: George Groves
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambourne, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Lambourne With Abridge
Ecclesiastical parish: Lambourne St Mary and Abridge All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Chipping Ongar
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
George Groves 62
Harriet Groves 50
James Groves 29
Elizabeth Jacob 13 Adopted


you said he was born in Lambourne, Essex

June x

Gerri,

Will be back tomorrow with marriage cert, can't put my hand on it at the moment.

Just my luck

Best Wishes

Jane

Jane

You have him as married in 1886....but now you have him as married on the 1881 census?

No, I don't think so!

This is him in 1891

Name: George Groves
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Leominster, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Groves 9
Clara Groves 4
George Groves 50
George A Groves 18
Harriett Groves 46
Thomas Groves 20
William Groves

BW

Jane

Births Jun 1840 (>99%)
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Groves George Ongar 12 168

The district Ongar is in the county of Essex


June x

Damn! and just when June and i was ona roll!

Well,June was....i'm still catching up! lol

No, they were living together in 1881 but they did not marry until 1886!

Best Wishes

Jane

This is Harriet in 1901, but she is not a widow. I believe George was working that night.

BW

Jane

Name: Harriet Groves
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 237
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Groves 19
Clara Groves 14
Harriet Groves

Hi Jane you said on heading that George was born in Lambourne Essex ?


June x

June,

That is the birth certificate I sent for and funny thing is it gives exactly the same date of birth that my great aunt had written down - coincidence or what? But is he the correct one. The parents are James Groves and Sarah Bass on birth certificate. James, I think must have died and I think Sarah married a guy called White but none of this is concrete as on George's 2nd marriage certificate it says father - Thomas Groves Gardner. However, I do realise that Thomas and James can look the same depending on the writing - could this be a minor mistake.

BW

Jane

It looks to me that we have the age old problem of rellies using second Christian names!?

James Thomas? Thomas James?

Name: George Groves
Birth: abt 1873 - Finsbury, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1881 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England



Name: George A Groves
Birth: abt 1873 - London City, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1891 - Bordesley, Aston, Warwickshire, England


this is George on both census but still no birth


June x

Marriages Dec 1858

Groves Sarah Ongar 4a 96
White William Ongar 4a 96

I think it's past my bedtime?...confused dot com!

Worth a go?

Arthur George White
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ongar
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 134