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Is it me doing something very wrong or did my family never exist at all. I am tracing my grandads side of the family, I have found a few bits and peices but people either disappear from the records or are never there in the first place but they are my great great grandparents so they have to be somewhere. I am looking for Charles and Joseph Gill who may have been brothers, their father was Charles and possibly married to a Margaret. Charles (jnr)had a son called Harry and another called Tom, and Joseph had a daughter called Amelia Jane, St Pancras and Long Stratton, Stratton St Mary figure a lot in this part of the family. Any help very much appreciated.

Any dates?

oh yes sorry, Harry Gill was born 6/4/1860 brother Tom was 1857. Amelia Jane 29/21855 in Pimlico but baptised in July 1855 in Long stratton/stratton st mary. Tom had 4 children Tom 1860,George 1882,Edward ???? and Mary 1886, she went to live with Uncle Harry and his family in 1899 when her mum Sarah died, Harry was my grandads dad, They all lived around the ~St Pancras,Islington area.

Long Stratton Stratton St Mary are in Norfolk

1891 England Census
about Harry Gill
Name: Harry Gill
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Amilia J
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia E Gill 8
Amilia J Gill 33
Archibald Gill 1
Ellen C Gill 7
Harry Gill 30
William C Gill 5

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Is this them?

1871 England Census
about Henry Gill
Name: Henry Gill
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Pauper Child (Pauper)
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: Watford
Ecclesiastical parish: Watford St Mary
Town: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Watford
Sub registration district: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: Watford Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
George M Antosh 41
John Fry Arkell 6
Nathan Bond 4
Robert Edwd Bradstreet 6
Thomas Bryant 6
John Campfield 2
Charles Chalk 10
Charles Clarke 4
Charles Clements 5
Edward Clements 4
Henry Cole 17
Henry Cole 13
William Collon 13
Henry Collop 11
William Cooper 15
Arthur Croxall 6
Charles Croxford 15
John Daner 12
Frederick Davis 6
Henry Gill 11
Tom Gill 14
Charles Gome 12
Frederick Gome 9





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yes yes yes this is them, Harry and Amelia were cousins, their son Charles Richard was my grandad,I wonder how Tom and Harry ended up in the Watford Workhouse, thank you all so much, but I could use the backwards from Harry and Amelia Jane, Amelia's mum may have been Harriet Steggles but I have never been able to trace her I dont have any dates further back than Harry b 1860 and Amelia b 1855. You people are goddess sent.

1871 England Census
about Amelia Jane Gill
Name: Amelia Jane Gill
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Middlesex, London, England
Civil Parish: Hawley
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:Dressmaker

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub registration district: Farnborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia Jane Gill 17
Henry Hall 24
Kate Hall 2
Stewart Hall 22
Thomas Parfet 19
Thomas Yogock 19

1861 England Census
about Amelia Gill
Name: Amelia Gill
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: London Pimlieb, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Woodton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Loddon
Sub registration district: Woodton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Phoebe Beckett 36
William Beckett 39
Amelia Gill 6
Harriet J Gill 34 Mother Married c1827 Starston?, Norfolk
Joseph A Gill 6 Mo

Only me - deleting . - Just realised the one I posted had the wrong parents - Sorry !


Dea x

thanks guys we are getting there I just need that backward step,funny how we all want to go forward in life but us family historians all want to go back.

Could this be Amelia's parents?

Marriages Sep 1854
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Gill Joseph Kensington 1a 63
Stygells Harriet Kensington 1a 63

amelia's father joseph-what was his occupation when she was born please?If he died before she married it leaves only the 1871 census to find him with Harriet :( which I can't as yet!

If this is the correct one it looks like he STILL wasn't home :(

1871 England Census
about Harriet Gile
Name: Harriet Gile
[Harriet Gill]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Where born: Starston, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hartley Wintney
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
Town: Hartley Wintney
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub registration district: Hartley Wintney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Charles B Gile 3
Frederick A Gile 8
Harriet Gile 40
Joseph A Gile 10
Sarah Gile 14
William T Gile 5

1861 England Census
about Thomas Gill
Name: Thomas Gill
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampton, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Hampton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Gill 29
Henry Gill 4 Mo
Thomas Gill 29
Thomas Gill 3

just re-read and realise this can't be the right Tom and Harry

Hi Sam,

That's the one on 1861 which I posted earlier, then deleted as it was not correct - Seemed to fit though eh?? but wrong parents! (I still wonder though?)

Dea x

1881 England Census
about Charles Gill
Name: Charles Gill
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Artlegrow, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 12 Winscombe St
Education:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Gill 13
Harriette Gill 52 [widowed]
Sarah Gill 23
William Gill 15


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Hi people, on Amelia's birth certificate Joseph's occupation is given as 'Postillion in HM Service' but he was not he was a Weekly Helper from 1854 to 1856 and thats from HMthe Q.

I have A birth certificate that may be Harrys or it may not, his father is given as Charles (could be Thomas as middle name)Gill, mother is Margaret Gill formerly Cull. Brother Toms father is Charles and mother Margaret (no former name) thats on the IGI for his christening. BUT according to my grandads neice there was a granny(to her mum)(my grandads sister)called Margaret Gowan who came from Berwick on Tweed. Your help so far has been beyond words.