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Edward Hale Married Mary Ann Arnell Sept 1892, The father's given name is shown as Alfred on the marriage cert. I have tried all that I know but cannot find anything more about Alfred ,can anyone please help. thank you.
WillG

Have you managed to find Edward on any census?

Do you have a location? EDIT - I see it! Islington.
Jan

What was Alfred's occupation on marriage cert?

How do you know he was born in Islington?

Are you presuming that as the marriage is registered in Islington that was where he was born?

sorry for the delay,Edward was a bricklayer on the marriage,the only other info I found was on BMD vol1b page200

1861 census only one abt that age and place but not right father***sorry should read 1871 census**
Name: Edward Hale
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
George Hales 53
Charlotte Hale 50
George W Hale 21
Agnes Hale 16
Edward Hale 15
Walter Hale 14
Alice Pindale 26 lodger
Ann S Brown 76 lodger
James Gregory 24 lodger

Do you have Alfred's occupation too please?

Do you know if any children were born before 1901 so we could possibly find the family on census.

what was his fathers occupation .Were the witnesses family

And his wifes father ,her age etc , to find them on a census

Hi Glitter Baby,My father was Edwards son ,he was born in 1889
Hi jansmith,
Edward's wife was bornin1861,her father was a lamplighter his name was James Arnell born abt.1836,Hope that this helps

There is this one in 1901 but the occupation doesnt fit
1901 Islington
Edward Hales (sic) 45 Plumbers Pipework fitter b Islington
Mary 40 wife b Islington
Malvana? 4 daur b islington
George E 3 son b Islington
William 1 son b Westminster
Mabel Richardson 5 niece b Westminster

Hi Gillian,
Yes ,you do have the right family .Malvina died when she was 6,George E was my uncle,I have noticed in my searches that people changed their occupations several times in their working lives
Many thanks to you and all the other kind helpers,but .I must close for tonight ( I am ancient)
WillG

mabel's parents? pity it is'nt his family
Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Arnell Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 804 *****
Crump George William St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 804
Richardson Richard St Geo. H. Sq. 1a 804 *****
Tunnacliffe Annie St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 804

For fellow hunters! It seems Alfred was a stonemason on the marriage cert, not sure if this helps as still can't find them!
Jan

Re jansmith 1861 census,I have tried without success to find the info. on Ancestry It is possible that the father's middle name was used in one of the entries,(Marriage cert/census).I was given the same first name as my father and was called by another name within the close family.I hope that this gets through ,I have been having problems with the reply button.
WillG.

After Gillian's input on the 1901 census I looked at the original form and found that the address of the residence matched that on William's birth registration but the final "s" had been left off the name, also on the same form,living next door,was a Sarah Hales ,a widow of 72yrs. Can you tell me if there is a way of finding if there a family connection.She is of an age to be Edwards mother.Thank you
WillG.

1881 you can search free
Name: Sarah Hales
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Shiprith, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 29 Hollingworth St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widowed)

Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hales 52
Fanny Hales 18
William Hales 9
Jessie Snow 8




1871
this looks like her although says born London
Name: Sarah Hales
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Islington St David
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
James Hales 43
Sarah Hales 41
Martha Hales 16
Mary Hales 15
Elizabeth Hales 12
Emily Hales 9
Fanny Hales 7
Jessie Hales 2
Henry Harris 22

1861Household Members:
Name Age
James Hales 36
Sarah Hales 31
Martha Hales 6
Mary A Hales 5
Elizabeth S Hales 2
Eliza Potter 30

Thank you for the 1871 Sarah input, I have searched,but have yet to make a connection with Edward,he would be about 14 yrs at that time and could havebeen living elsewhere.He is not shown in the '61 census either The road names were changed between '61 and'71 But the family remained in the same house during this time.They lived in a poor area, as a labourer the father would expect to earn about 18/- to21/- per week, for about 9 months of the year,Pay 5/- to7/-6 d per week for a room and pay 1/-3d for 1cwt. of coal a hard life!