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hi,my great gran was born susan jane holloway in 1880 in widmerpool notts.her mum was unmarried and when susan was about 4 she wed henry jude who we believe was susans real father.can anyone tell me anything about susans maternal family please?thankyou

Have you bought Susans birth cert? What is Susans mums name and how old was she when she married Henry Jude? Have you found Susan with her mum in 1881?

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
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Cann Charles Chesterfield 7b 1385
HOLLOWAY Susan Jane Chesterfield 7b 1385





1901 poss

Name: Susan J Cann
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Widmerpool, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Dawdon
Ecclesiastical parish: Seaham Harbour St John
Town: Seaham Harbour
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Easington
Sub registration district: Dawdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
William Brewer 22
Amelia Cann 4
Charles Cann 24
Emma Cann 14
Mary A A Cann 10 Mo
Susan J Cann 21
William Fordham 45
Harry Johnson 20
Walter Johnson 19
Alfred King 25
Harry Stevens 16
Edward Stipens 21



No idea if right or not


The two named Johnson are listed as brother-in-laws ??

Glitter, can you see a Susan in the 1881?

Could this be Susan's mother's marriage?

Marriages Mar 1883
HOLLOWAY Amelia Catherine Birmingham 6d 41
JUDE William Henry Birmingham 6d 41

Only thing I am finding in 1881 and 1891 is a Susan J Mottershaw born Widmerpool

I think Im going senile, I cant see a birth for her nor an entry in the 1881 census.

Can we have her mothers name please. Is it Amelia as above?
Do you have the marriage cert?

1881 - wrong place with apparently bona fide parents. Ive no idea otherwise More info please



and Census
about Susan Holloway
Name: Susan Holloway
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Amelia
Gender: Female
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Harborne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Lewisham Rd
Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Miriam Freeth 15
Amelia Holloway 38
Amelia Holloway 11
James Holloway 14
John Holloway 9
Louisa Holloway 6
Mary A. Holloway 10
Phebe Holloway 3
Sarah J. Holloway 7
Susan Holloway 1
Thomas Holloway 39
Thomas Holloway 17
William Holloway 18

Can I join the senile club?


Best match on birth I can offer is this one

Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Jude Susan Jane Bingham 7b 417



Oh flaming heck - Widmerpool is in this registration district

There is this birth.
Births Jun 1879
Jude Susan Jane Bingham 7b 417 (widmerpool notts is in this district)

ValT

Val,

Snap. At least we have thought the same on this .

Maureen

So she was registered as a Jude

1881???

Name: Susannah Jude
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Annie M.
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Radford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Lenton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Bright Street
Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub registration district: Lenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Annie M. Jude 30
Annie R. Jude 4
Ethel V. Jude 1
Henry Jude 32
Susannah Jude 3

Seems so.

Who her mother was is still a mystery.

ValT

This marriage could match the 1881 family

Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
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BAMFORD Mary Ann Radford 7b 222
Barker William James Radford 7b 222
Brown Annie Maria Radford 7b 222
JUDE Henry Radford 7b 222

You need the marriage cert to be sure we are following the same family.

This doesnt match the details given by the OP re her being illegitimate etc. I guess the couple just lived together as man and wife until the marriage anyway, using Jude as a surname.

I just hope Victoria doesnt tell us she knew all of this

hi,firstly thankyou to everyone.no,i didnt know any of this.i know susan wed charles cann and they had amelia 1897,mary ann(mygran)1900 then daisy,george thomas violet and charles.i am pretty sure of when and where she was born and know that she died in 1913.ive been told by my dads cousin that her dad was jude and that somewher for an unknown reason they at one time used the name johnson.anything after that i dont know.i have no idea of siblings nothing and couldnt find her on the births as holloway.best wishes vicky

hi glitter baby,your census seems to match with what i know.my gt aunt amelia was the right age as was my gran.the 2 johnsons could well be susans brothers,thanks vicky

ive just checked my tree and charles cann had a younger sister named emma who was 10 yrs younger than him so that would fit with the emma cann on the census

Hi just a thought, sometimes brother-in-law and step brother get mixed up on censuses.

ValT

hi val,charles would be the head wouldnt he?so if what my dads cousin said about susans family sometimes calling themselves johnson is right,this could make them susans brothers therefore brothers in law of the head of the family ie charles.does that make sense.i think like earlier replies,i too amgoing senile.i go to sleep at night with names and numbers going round in my head,making no sense at all,best wishes