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I am past being confused ! I have(had) a great great grandmother Agnes(b.1850c) born in India. I don't have a maiden name. I then have Agnes on the 1871 census living as Agnes Whitney, wife, mother of Louisa Whiting (b.1870c) at The Shaft Barracks, Western Heights Kent. I cannot find her as a Whitney or Whiting. Incidentally a Charles Larche is also shown on the 1871 census at the Shaft Barracks.
Agnes is shown with another daughter, Emma Whiting b.1874 at Isle of Wight, Hampshire. ???
In an 1881 census, Agnes is shown with Charles and as Agnes Larche. They have Louisa and Emma (listed as stepdaughters to Charles) and the first of their own family, Ruth Agnes (1yr- my great grandmother).

What am I missing, why can't I see the link and/or find a first marriage for Agnes. Perhaps she never married with the first two girls. Why then Whitney and Whiting?

I would really appreciate any feedback. Am I missing something obvious?

Thankyou.
Susan

Have you thought about buying one of the childrens' birth certs?

Births Sep 1870
Whiting Louisa Elizabeth Dover 2a 858

Births Dec 1881 Larche George Edward Kensington 1a 96
Births Sep 1883
LARCHE Charles William Kensington 1a 126
Births Mar 1886
LARCHE Henry Thomas Kensington 1a 115
Births Jun 1889
Larche Clara Ellen Kensington 1a 123

Rose

No, I hadn't. I presume the mother's maiden namewould be listed. Thanks for the tip.

She must have been married to be living in the barracks.

Rose

Louisa's birth certificate would give the name of her father

Name: Louisa Elizabeth Whiting
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Dover
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 858 (click to see others on page)




sylvia

Thanks Sylvia

Here you go:

From IGI:

Emma Whiting
Female
Birth: 05 APR 1874

Christening: 19 APR 1874 Parkhurst, Hampshire, England

Parents:
Father: Henry Whiting
Mother: Agnes

Rose

well now, with that clue from Rose


1871 Census

Name: Henry Whiting
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Western Heights
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: Hougham
ED, institution, or vessel: The Shaft Barracks Western Heights

Henry Whiting 30 Head of Family, Private



sylvia

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age is wrong???????



1861 Census

Name: Henry B Whiting
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Boy On The Foundation (Boy)
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Chelsea
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Military Asylum
Neighbors: View others on page



All the boys are scholars



sylvia

Possible first marriage for Agnes:

Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)

Grizwell Eliza St. Alban's 3a 349
LINES Charles St. Alban's 3a 349
>>>>>>SEAMONS Agnes Emma St. Alban's 3a 349
>>>>>>WHITING Henry Edward St. Alban's 3a 349

That marriage isn't the one unfortunately.

Agnes Emma Seamons was born in Islington in 1846. You can trace her on the censuses.

Rose

Thanks for checking that through Rose.

Perhaps they married in India?:

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1869
Husband First Names Henry
Husband Surname Whiting
Wife First Names Agnes
Wife Surname Murphy

Hello,

Many thanks to you all fo your help. Mystery solved. Agnes Murphy ! Where are you able to check marriages outside England?

Sorry for the delay in replying. I am in NZ and just up to face another day.
I really appreciate the help you kind people give so willingly and happily.

Susan

this is the link to some India genealogical records on FIBIS (including the marriage of Henry Whiting):

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php

However, when I was looking for a record of my Grandad's birth in Navsari (Bombay), the British Library APAC were a great help and replied to my e-mail within 24hrs:

The Reference Services staff of the Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections at the British Library might be able to help you. Contact:

Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections
The British Library
96 Euston Road
London
NW1 2DB Tel: +44 (0)20 7412 7873
Fax: +44 (0)20 7412 7641
Email: [email protected]

The British Library do have a few records available to search on-line at:

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/Home.aspx

I hope this helps

ps. I think the first step should be to order the birth cert of Louisa Whiting (Agnes' daughter)

I now have a copy of Louisa's birth. Her father is listed as Henry Whiting, Private 102 Regt.

Agnes is listed as Agnes Whiting, late Murphy, formerly Hayes.

How do I interpret that? Born Murphy, married a Hayes then a Whiting and then Charles Larche? I presume so as a son born to Agnes and Charles lists Agnes as Agnes Larche, formerly Hayes.
Busy lady...

Susan

On the Isle of Wight records the birth of Emma Whiting has the names Hayes and Murphy where mother's maiden name would be.

http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/startbmd.htm

thanks Margaret,

I still don't ge which was Agnes's maiden name.

"Late Murphy, formerly Hayes" means her maiden name was Hayes. She must have married a Murphy before she married Henry.

Rose