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Karen to save confusion you need to remove one of your threads.

As the other threads contains more data you are best to remove that one.



Tracey

Name: Rose Wood
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Siarey
District: Bury
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 1023 (click

Since Lindsey has replied in this one, quickest is to copy the info from the other thread here -- and Karen, would you indicate in the other thread (I understand wanting to leave it on the surname board it is presumably attached to) that this thread is where info can be found?


Desperate for information about my grandfathers family from his marriage to Elizabeth Kershaw, married on 15/06/1935 in Bury
Elizabeth was lliving at 191 Brandlesholme Rd, Bury at time of marriage to Arthur Wood.
Elizabeths father was Joshua/Josiaf/Joseph Kershaw (Wedding certificate hard to read)
Arthurs parents, John Wood & Martha Siarey
Arthur was born in Bury in 1913 and died 1972 in Ossett, Yorkshire.
Elizabeth was born 1913 - 1914
Elizabeth & Arthur were no longer married by 1945 and he was living in Bury with my granmother Florence Walters (nee Bradburn) in 1946 for a few years and had my mother.

My mum's mother died when she was 11 so initially we have very little information to go on but over the last couple of years but we have been able to verify much and even contact Arthurs neices form his brothers side of the family.
Me & my mum have been trying to find her dad for over 20 years, we found him too late....
It would appear he died a lonely man at a relatively young age, Arthurs neice thinks Arthur and Elizabeth had children, but isn't sure.
Mum has no photos' of her dad and is desperate to know if she as anything like her father or has any half brothers or sisters.
ALL Help gratefully recieved!

Births Mar 1914
KERSHAW Elizabeth Holt Bury 8c 972

Marriages Jun 1906
HOLT Jane Bury 8c 1030
Kershaw Josiah Bury 8c 1030

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My bet for that Josiah would be:


1901:

Name: Josiah Kershaw
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lilence (Silence Brooks, married Sep Q 1899)
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Tottington
Registration district: Bury

Josiah Kershaw 25
Lilence Kershaw 21
Beatrice Kershaw 1


Deaths Sep 1902
Kershaw Silence 23 Bury 8c 279


Too many Jane Holts in 1901 to guess. You might check out a couple in trees here at GR though -- 1895, 1887, 1876 in Bury.

Up the tree to come back down again sometimes works!

This is a leap, but if the Kershaw-Holt couple were correct, there are also, in Bury:

Births Jun 1913
Kershaw Constance Holt Bury 8c 1030

Births Jun 1915
Kershaw Lilian Holt Bradford 9b 256

Births Mar 1916
Kershaw Annie Holt Bury 8c 840

They would be siblings of your Elizabeth, *if* the Kershaw-Holt couple were her parents. And if so, their children might know their cousins.

Query, of course -- what was Elizabeth's age on the 1935 marriage certificate? And her father's occupation. Josiah Kershaw married to Silence in the 1901 was a cotton weaver.

Speaking of cousins, Beatrice Kershaw (Elizabeth's half-sister?) may have married one.

Marriages Jun 1926
Brooks Harry Kershaw Bury 8c 1139
Kershaw Beatrice Brooks Bury 8c 1139

(Although there was also a Beatrice Kershaw born 1897 in Bury.)

Births Dec 1926
Brooks Geoffrey Kershaw Bury 8c 687

Births Mar 1928
Brooks Ronald Kershaw Bury 8c 704

Births Mar 1931
Brooks Audrey Kershaw Bury 8c 686

Hi Evie,
Many many thanks for your response to my thread on the message board & all the information you have provided.
We will start to look into all of it, in particular the possible 1st marriage of Josiah is interesting.
We too had made a connection with Constance & Annie so it's good that we have have come up with similar info.....
I have quite a bit of history on Arthurs family going back but nothing really dating from his marriage to Elizabeth Kershaw until his death in 1972.
We cannot find any births so far between Elizabeth & Arthur.
After he seperated with my grandmother in 1951 my mother never saw him again. We have no idea why he moved to Ossett of if he reamarried and had any other family.
Certainly it wasn't a member of his family that registered his death. It all seems a bit sad!
Thanks once again
Karen

Well good luck with all the possible leads! As FreeBMD progresses, you may be able to track some of those people further and confirm/deny relationships.

Meanwhile, back to the Rose Wood that Lindsey posted at the beginning, I see you have her in your tree, as does someone else. She and one other person also have Arthur. I suspect you are related to those people and know them already, but thought I'd mention it, in case.

Yes the other person is probably my mum's newly found cousin; daughters of mum's dad's brother John. We have met up with them for lunch and it was spooky we got on like a house on fire, as if we had known them all our life!!! We speak regularly now.

The unfortunate thing is thier mum and dad divorced about 1946 so she lost touch with thier dad's family and again they don't know much about Arthur.
I have also spoke on the phone to Rose's son, he siad they weren't a close family and knows virtually nothing about my grandfather Arthur.

I am just praying that some-one reads this and knew Arthur in Ossett. He died at 1 South Terrace Ossett. Unfortunately the electoral role for Ossett at this time was destroyed in floods at the town Hall; just our luck!!!
We know a James Desmond Hemmingway registered the birth and at the time James lived at 22 Flanshaw View, Wakefield.

My mum has so many unanswered questions about her past, her mum dying at age 11 meant that much of mums past history died with her!
If anyone can make any links.....

Thanks Again
Karen

I found the Holt connection on the other thread earlier and then it was deleted.Why was this?I found 3 births a poss marriage and this takes time.

Sorry to seem cross but i went back to check on it and it had gone.

Michelle

Karen was advised of the rule against multiple posts -- I did suggest she leave that one there, if it was for a connection with the other surname. I know how you feel. We must have been working simultaneously.

We'll have to share the ... what do they call it on Law&Order? ... the collar. ;)

One more learns the lesson of how not to peeve the helpers, a hundred more to go this month ...

EvieBeavie

Thanks for that.I guess i am getting a bit fed up, as we all are, of no thanks and deleted threads with no thanks for your help or even a "yes info was correct!!"

I know take a deep breath and smile : ) I am normally a happy go lucky laid back person but this whole board thing is stressing me at mo!!!!

***Michelle***

Hi Michelle/Eavie

Sincere apologies, that I have obviously come accross as a right royal pain in the rear . I am genuinely grateful for all the help & assistance you have provided thus far.
My deleting the threads was because I was asked to by other irritated helpers as they were duplicates (I can't seem to do right for wrong!!) I am new to the message boards and it does take a while to guess how it is generally used. I was under the impression that you had to enter a topic by surname. It is all a bit a confusing for newbies like me!! I am sure you provide a lot of information & get no thanks, but I did thank Eavie for all her help on my threads.

I have inclided the other information and am grateful for anything you find.

Desperate for information about my grandfathers family from his marriage to Elizabeth Kershaw, married on 15/06/1935 in Bury
Elizabeth was lliving at 191 Brandlesholme Rd, Bury at time of marriage to Arthur Wood.
Elizabeths father was Josiah Kershaw mother Jane Holt (married 1906)
Arthurs parents, John Wood & Martha Siarey ( I already have a lot of information for this family going back)
Arthur was born in Bury in 1913 and died 1972 in Ossett, Yorkshire.
Elizabeth was born 1914
Elizabeth & Arthur were no longer married by 1945 and Arthur was living (not married) in Bury with my granmother Florence Walters (nee Bradburn) in 1946 for a few years and had my mother. They seperated in 1951 and she never saw Arthur again.

Thanks for help so far from you all & apologies once again to Michelle & Eavie for the confusion I have caused!
Karen

Karen

Thanks for clearing up what happened and it's fine.I have had a bad time on the boards past few days with alot of people not giving thanks or even letting me know if the info i have found was correct.I had found Arthur's birth and the births for Elizabeth and also the holt connection and it takes time.Its frustrating,and i understand how it must be frustrating for you too when you are unsure how posting works and the rules and regulations.Genes do not make it very clear.However if you look on the boards and browse through there are quite a few tips for newbies threads and these are well worth reading.

The reason why we don't like multi posting is because if someone is finding info on the Records Office Board for a query and meanwhile someone else is looking for the same info on the Trying to Find Board it is wasting people's time.Also 1 thread may move on further than the other so its better that there is 1 thread that all can see info for.

I don't want to put you off posting and like i say i am normally a laid back person and i don't normally comment so sorry if i offended you, like i say i was frustrated.I do lookups because i enjoy helping people and i have a lookup thread on the Records Office Board and help on the boards when my thread is quiet.I don't expect adoration and praise but i guess i do expect a thanks.

We are all happy to help you : ) and now you know the rules for posting you will be fine.

Good luck with your search.

***Michelle***

Michelle,
did you say you had found possible children of Arthur & Elizabeth?
If so info would be really appreciated.
The Registrar has just confirmed as a definite match Elizabeths parent as Josiah Kerhaw & Jane Holt. So thanks to you all for assisting on that,
Karen

Same ones I posted here, Karen -- Constance, Lilian and Annie.

Same ones you had already looked at too apparently -- I don't know what "made a connection means": same as we did, theorize the relationship?

If you had already considered the Kershaw-Holt marriage and children, that would have been a good thing to mention too!

Re: the surname boards -- you are absolutely right, your problem was *caused by* the system. GR invites people to look at / post on their own "surname boards", and never ever points out that the helpers it takes money from, so they can do the work here and GR can get the glory, see *all* posts, not just one surname board, and so posting on more than one surname board means posting multiples on the main board.

Some problems, people can avoid by just reading a few threads here (for instance, to get an idea of the info they need to provide). The "surnames board" problem (including the bit where people don't put surnames in their posts because they think the tag is attached to the post when they write it, and the message appears right there on their "surname board" when they post it) -- that one will forever be a source of frustration because there is no way for anyone new to avoid it, or any old-timers to head it off. It's down to the site owner, and it doesn't give a hoot.

And the helpers and helpees just go on getting frustrated and annoyed with one another. And kissing and making up. ;)

No, wait, sorry -- you meant Wood-Kershaw births, Karen.

Did you find some of them, Michelle? They wouldn't be transcribed yet, and I wasn't going trawling through images myself!

You are 100 % about the surname message board confusion! They way it is set up suggests that if you are searching for 2 familes that you need to create an entry on both Surname boards and then also a Trying to find board; hence my 3 entries!
Anyway, water under the bridge now! I didn't take offence; I was just concerned that I had naffed you guys off after all the wonderful information you had provided.
To be honest the information re. the Holt & Kershaw link was building up on an hour by hour basis with us all coming up with the same possibilities.
I suppose you learn as you go to a certain degree on how best to use a site ....
Thanks for all your feedback & keep smiling!!
Karen