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I am looking at image of 1861 census on Ancestry, Mary Ann Mandy was born abt 1818 in Bethnal Green.

She appears on this census at 21 Henry Street as the niece of someone who has been transcribed as Thomas C Batteau (I am not altogether sure this is correct!) I read his occupation as independent minister?

Could someone who is good at deciphering these things have a look and see what names they come up with. If I can find him on earlier records I may well be able to open up more generations on my tree.


thanks

Janet

Looks like Butteau to me.

If you search on FreeBMD there is only 1 death for Batteau - this one

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1854 (>99%)
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Batteau Martha Bethnal G. 1c 244


If you search for Butteau there are several including these (Note that Thomas was a widower on the census.
Deaths Mar 1865 (>99%)
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BUTTEAU Thomas Cyrus Mile End Old Town 1c 445

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Deaths Sep 1886 (>99%)
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Butteau Thomas Cyrus 22 Hackney 1b 285

this him

1851 England Census about Thomas C Buthan
Name: Thomas C Buthan
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Stepney
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Upper
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 186
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas C Buthan 64 independant minister
Ann Buthan 60
A Longford 65
Maria Dicker 20
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Thank you I think this is correct ?

I have Mary Ann's mother on my tree as a Sarah Dowles and have just located a marriage on the London Archives between an Anne Dowles and a Thomas Butteaux in 1808 at Hackney St John's. This church features largely in the Mandy family for bmd's so I think this is the link .

many thanks

Thats interesting... A Dicker is witness at Thomas marriage
His own signature Butteaux

maybe

1841 census - household transcription
Person: BUTTEAR, Thos
Address: Henry Street Bedford Square, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, Upper, Tower Hamlets



BUTTEAR, Thos M 55 1786 Middlesex VIEW
BUTTEAR, Ann F 57 1784 Middlesex VIEW
BUTTEAR, Mary F 20 1821 VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
712 Book/Folio:
7/21 Page:
34

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Mile End Old Town, Upper EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Stepney Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
Henry Street Bedford Square, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, Upper, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex

Thank you everyone it's looking likely that this is the correct link then

I will do some more digging this weekend into the Dowles and Butteaux's

look what ancestry have !

1841 England Census about Thos Buthur
Name: Thos Buthur
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Stepney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

I have submitted a correction for them !

Thanks

Hmmm

crikey it's difficult trying to decipher their transcriptions ????

What do you thnk it says after Ann's name on that 1841 transcription?

We already know he was an independent minister and I think it says minister on the 1841 for Thomas.
Looking at Ann I think it could be something relates.
School ministry???????????
Whatever it says there are several people on the same page with the same occupation.

( I am looking at Find mypast)

possible

1841 census - household transcription
Person: MANDY, Mary Ann
Address: Conduit Street, South, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets

MANDY, John M 45 1796 Middlesex VIEW
MANDY, Sarah F 50 1791 Middlesex VIEW
MANDY, Sarah F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
MANDY, Mary Ann F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
MANDY, John M 15 1826 Middlesex VIEW
MANDY, Thos M 10 1831 Middlesex

this could be your sarah

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 JAN 1793 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL DOWLES Family
Mother: ELIZABETH




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Yes the Thomas Mandy age 10 mentioned is my g g grandfather

will check out the Dowles christening too thanks

if that is the correct sarah mother of mary ann then she has siblings

1. JOHN DOWLES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 MAR 1785 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England

2. JAMES DOWLES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 12 MAY 1793

3. JAMES DOWLES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 MAR 1791 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England

4. SARAH DOWLES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 JAN 1793 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England

5. SAMUEL DOWLES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 AUG 1783 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England

is there a christening record for the Ann Dowles who married Mr Butteaux? If so that would definitely tie them all together

right time


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ANN DOWLES Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 25 OCT 1783

Christening: 23 NOV 1783 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: CHARLES DOWLES Family
Mother: ANN




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Have just looked again at 1841 census with fresh eyes it says school mistress

ANN DOWLES Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 06 JUN 1819

Christening: 27 JUN 1819 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL DOWLES Family
Mother: ANN

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C046983

worth a look

1841 census - household transcription
Person: DOWLES, Samuel
Address: Dunk Street, Stepney, Mile End New Town, Tower Hamlets

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Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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DOWLES, Samuel M 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Ann F 45 1796 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Ann F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Mary F 15 1826 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Sarah F 15 1826 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Samuel M 15 1826 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, John M 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Suesan F 5 1836 Middlesex VIEW
DOWLES, Jane F 0 (10 months) 1841 Middlesex