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I am trying to find the marriage of Martha, I know she married a Edward Littleton, St. James Church Bermondsey on 28-7-1851. Edward died in 1864. She went on to marry a Samuel Vear apparently in 1864 at St Olaves, Southwark. I have searched the records for this marriage without success and am wondering if you could help me on this?

I have found her in census records1871 Living with Samuel and her children from Edward and also her daughter with Samuel. 1881 Living with Samual and Martha and 1891 living with her brother, daughter and son in law but her name appears as Shara.


Any help on her marriage to Samuel or anything else would be most appreciated.

Janet

Hello fellow Janet! here they are:

Marriages Sep 1851

Littleton Edward Bermondsey 4 17
Sharr Martha Bermondsey 4 17

Jan

Hello Jan, that was quick thanks for that

Best wishes Janet

Hello again, was you able to find the marriage of Martha to Samuel Vear, thanks, Janet

Nope, not seeing that one, sorry. What evidence have you got for the year?
Jan

Unfortunately, the only information that I have on that marriage to Samuel Vear is in 1864 St Olaves, Southwark

Janet

Sorry, Janet, didn't ask very clearly - I mean where did you see that? Is it on a parish record or something?
Jan

No it was information that I received from a contact. I was trying to find the marriage so that I can send off for a Marriage Cert
Janet

Have just looked at your original post again.
I think it odd that she reverted to her maiden name in 1891.
My guess is they never married. Have you looked for Samuel in 1861? Just in case he was already married?
jan

I have looked for samuel in 1864 but could not find him. I know that edward died in 1864. Martha had another daughter with samuel also called Martha Vear. That is all I know

Janet

Check this one out - I think it says he was married:

1861 England Census

Name: Samuel Vear
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey

Registration district: Bermondsey

Name Age
James Vear 54
Mary Vear 53
James Vear 30
Samuel Vear 28
Richard Vear 26
John Vear 24
William Vear 18

And there is a marriage here:

Marriages Dec 1855
VEAR Samuel Bermondsey 1d 67

Well, a possibility!

Jan

I could find Martha in 1861 census being with Edward Littleton. I have not found Samuel in 1861 census only 1851 with his parents

Janet

here's another Samuel Vear in 1861


1861 England Census
Name: Saml Vear
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members: Name Age
Saml Vear 29
Eliza Vear 22
Saml G Vear 2




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 322; Folio: 137; Page: 32; GSU roll: 542614.

Hi Jan, That looks promising. Thanks for your help and time in finding this information, it is very much appreciated.

Janet

Your Samuel 1871.. Occupation Printer pressman. The Samuel living with his parents in 1861 is a lithographic printer. It must be the same man surely? Looking at original I am sure it says he is married - have a look and see.


1871 England Census

Name: Samuel Vear
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey

Samuel Vear 40
Martha Vear 40
Edward Littleton 16
Susan Littleton 9
Martha Vear 3
John Upfatt 41

Thanks Choccy for your information I will check it out

Janet

Thank you again Jan that looks like the right person to me. I will look at all the information. Thanks again Janet

Choccy's guy is a Printer press man - she might have him rather than me but it's a big co-incidence isn't it!! Marriage entry in full:

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
BURNHAM James Bermondsey 1d 67
MURPHY Eliza Bermondsey 1d 67
PENLIGEN Emma Bermondsey 1d 67
VEAR Samuel Bermondsey 1d 67

I think the evidence points to him being married don't you?

Jan

oddly Samuel G Vear on the 1861 census is with his grandparents and a sister Jane on the 1871 census, albeit down as a grandaughter with surname Tear (original says grandson)


1871 England Census
Name: Samuel Tear
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Granddaughter
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 224
Household Members: Name Age
James Murphy 60
Eliza Murphy 64
Charles Murphy 20
Samuel Tear 14
Jane Tear 10




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 632; Folio: 19; Page: 35; GSU roll: 818928.




NOTE - on the 1861 census Samuel is a Printers press man


EDIT - see Jan got there before me

Thank you again Jan, I think you have found all the information that I need. All you ladies and Gents do a fantastic job in helping us novices.

Best wishes

Janet