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Still trying to work this out and Please if anybody can help me I will more than appreciate it.
So far I have the following Certificates of Mary's

Birth Cert. I know she was born in Bolton and her mother's maiden name was Alice Fletcher. her father's name was Robert Holmes. She was born on 25 NOV 1864

Mariiage cert: reg. WD 8b 728 states she was Mary Whiting (a widow) aged 52, when she married Thomas Paxton aged 54 (widower) married on 26th Feb 1916. her fathers name was stated as Robert Holmes. So I know I have the correct marriage cert here.

Death Cert. Mary died 9th SEpt 1938 the widow of Thomas Paxton, her step daughter Sarah Ann (thomas daughter) was present at her death.

Its trying to find the correc t Whiting that still troubles me.....Is there anybody who can throw any light on this PLEASE>>>>

No it would not give a previous husbands name, would just state she was a widow....

Thinking about it...it's a shame certs dont give details of previous marriages....how much easier it would make things for us hunters of the dead !!!.....I guess it would be a huge invasion of privacy though....



Misty x

I now know That Mary's surname was Whiting when she married Thomas Paxton in 1916. mariiage reg: WD 8b 728.

Please could anybody help me with the following:
I Mary was a widow when she married Thomas Paxton, would her previous husband christian name be on the marriage cert. as widow of .....Whiting
Any help would be appreciated

Cheers

Yes I agree with you. They seem to change names and I have found places they were born in alter as well.

Thanks for all your help.

Cheers

Hi Ziggy

No way of telling if Mary Agnes Holmes/Whiting is your lady unless you want to buy the certs...

As for " Agnes " , names seemed to come and go in those day's ( or they did in my family, I have some that were baptised a completley different name to the one they were registered with )

Of course, the info I put above may have absolutely no connection to your lot but it was all I could find that might fit.....only the certs would confirm this...

I cant find Mary and George William on census either, or death for Geroge!!

Misty x

Marriages Mar 1864 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fletcher Alice Manchester 8d 457
Holmes Robert Manchester 8d 457

Is this the cert you have?
Not Agnes on Birth

Births Dec 1864 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Holmes Mary Bolton 8c 297


This on the other hand could be the lady who married Paxton

Births Dec 1864
Holmes Mary Agnes - Manchester 8d 314

??????

or this ...


Births Jun 1864 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HOLMES Mary Agnes - Ulverstone 8e 690
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Well I am more confused than ever. I have found that the Mary Agnes Holmes who married a George William Whiting 8b 667 in 1886. and a Mary Agnes Whiting married a Thomas Paxton 8b 667 in 1916. Is this a coincidence. or what. all other census and her birth certificate have her as MARY HOLMES no Agnes on anything..

And then I cannot find her as Mary Whiting on any census.ie. 1891 or 1901

This is driving me insane.

Thank you for all this info

Just a thought...... maybe they were not married in 1911 !! (Mary may have told a fib and they had been living together for 6 yrs )

Was Thomas's first wife Sarah Ann?


1901
Name: Thomas Paxton
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah A
Where born: Glasgow, Scotland
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Paxton 42....Boiler Maker
Sarah A Paxton 38
Thomas Paxton 19
Sarah A Paxton 13
Matthew Hogen 20
Jemima Roden 14

Address...69 Doncaster street

Deaths Sep 1904
PAXTON Sarah Ann 40 W. Derby 8b 266


Marriages Mar 1916

Whiting Mary W. Derby 8b 728
Paxton Thomas W Derby 8b 728


?
Marriages Jun 1886

Holmes Mary Agnes West Derby 8b 667
WHITING George William W.Derby 8b 667


Name: Thomas Paxton
Death Registration Month/Year: 1931
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 577


Mary x

have Mary's death cert. She died the widow of Thomas PAXTON in 1938. Present at her death was stepdaughter Sarah Ann Ratcliffe ( who was thomas's daughter)

I know the 1901 census show Thomas Paxton living with his previous wife and children. So he couldn't be married to Mary then.

In the 1911 census Mary is at her brothers house her name is Mary Paxton. married 6 years. SO somewhere between 1901 and 1911 they must have married but I cannot find the marriage anywhere.

Of course Mar's birth surname was HOLMES but she could have been married several times and her name would have changed, she was born in 1863.

Can anybody help find this marriage.

Any help would be much appreciated

Cheers

Yes I think that deathcert. is the correct one. Because I know most of the family lived in Gt. Crosby and quite alot our buried in in St. Lukes Cemetry. So I am going to send for that cert and fingers crossed maybe it will open up a few more names for my tree.

This site is fantastic for all the help that is offered.

Thanks to all of you,

Regards. Jean ziggy

If the death cert that Mary B. found is the correct one, then it should tell you who her husband was. That would help to find the marriage.

Death for a Mary Paxton in Crosby 1938 age 73 = 1865 so that fits .

Maryb

Clutching at straws but the age and birth location fit. ???

1881.

Mary A. HUMES Head U Female 22 Lpool Laundress
Mary HUMES Boarder U Female 16 Bolton Servant Domestic
Kathleen MC CORMICK Visitor U Female 16 Limerick Co, Ireland Servant Domestic
Rodolph PERRY Lodger U Male 24 Yarmouth N S British Subject Mariner

: Dwelling 102 Olivia St
Census Place Bootle Cum Linacre, Lancashire,

And another leap of faith ..... Could that crossed out surname possibly have been Claxton and the years married be 26 not 6 ?....

1884
HOLMES Mary - CLAXTON William J - Toxteth Park,

The 1911census have mary living at 1 Lanigan Place, Great Crosby, Lancs. Her husband is not reg. there.
Also living there Is head of house hold. George Williams Holmes, his wife Mary, his daughter Alice and Son Peter Holmes and ALice Holmes (Mother aged 65)--------

Yes the 1881 info are the parents. Thanks for helping me.

This looks to be her parents in 1881......doesn't help to find Mary though :-))

1881 England Census about Robert Holmes
Name: Robert Holmes
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Abergavenny, Wales
Civil parish: Bootle Cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Conway St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Waggon Examiner
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Holmes 38
Alice Holmes 37
Thomas Holmes 11
Robert Holmes 9
John J. Holmes 4


Mary

I don't think it would say on 1911 census if Mary had children or not,it is usually the head of the households children that is numbered.

Maryb.

It also says she is married and not widowed ,so where is her husband.

I have tried every way i could think of to find her marriage but no luck at all.

I think this is stretching it a bit - but who knows!

Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)
FULLAWAY Robert Henry Prestwich 8d 370
Pickston Edwin Prestwich 8d 370
Pritchett Bertha Helen Prestwich 8d 370
TAYLOR Mary Prestwich 8d 370

Hi, Thanks for your help I do have the info on the rest of her family, I'ts just I cannot fill the gap between 1871 and 1911 regarding where Mary Holmes was. There is no middle name on her birth. cert.. On the 1911 census whilst living in George Henry Holmes (her brother) address, it states she has been married for six years. ( she could have been married previously ?) she does not have any children, according to 1911 census.

Thanks again

Jean Ziggy