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I am trying to find out any information about Mary Elizabrth Mellor , born in Bakewell in 1902 . She married Harry Harban Salt in october 1931, but sadly died in December 1933 as a complication of pregnancy leaving we think a son. I can't find his birth registered, but we know he survived. Any help with this would be great. Thanks Debbie

Born in 1933 -- the odds are high that he has died since 1984 -- i.e. lived to 50, but not to 75.

Search here:

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7579

Even if you're not subscribed, you can see the name, year of death and county of death -- that's the post-1984 death index.

Search for Salt born 1933 -- if you see someone you think could be him and don't have access to details, someone here can provide them.

I have searched for his birth but can't find it. We think this baby has been registered in someone elses name. Its very frustrating

I understand that. That's why I suggested searching for a death.

Of course, if he was registered in / used another surname, that won't help either.

I did wonder whether he might have been registered quite late because of the death, but I imagine you have searched forward.

Mary could have died a while after the birth, so I imagine you've searched backward too!

Was he relinquished for adoption shortly after birth? If you give a bit more detail -- are you related to a sibling of Mary, for instance? -- it might be of some help. For example, I'd ordinarily suggest trying to track down siblings of the parents, but if you're one of those relations already, that would be kinda pointlesss. ;)

Asking the obvious, but ... you're in touch with the other person who has Mary Mellor born 1802 in Bakewell in her tree, here at GR?


And sorry but I forgot to ask -- *where* was the Salt child born / did Mary die?

death index
Mary e Salt age 31yrs
oct-dec 1933
Chesterfield
vol 7b
page 816

Yeah ... I thought Debbie could probably just give up the info instead of us having to look it up. ;)

Someone at GR has a Barry Salt born 1932 in Chesterfield, in her tree here.

A person known to you Debbie, or could this be something to follow up?

That Barry Salt appears to be on the electoral roll, and 192.com provides an address and phone number. I suspect this is someone you are related to and know well. ;)

The only Barry 1932 i can see has different mother maiden name

??very long shot perhaps but do you have any rels mothers maiden name Mincher.
I see there is an unnamed malesurname Salt with this mothers maiden name registered Wolverhampton Dec 1933

Last resort advice Debbie: sit tight!

FreeBMD is trundling along with the transcriptions, and when it finishes 1933 you will be able to do a database search by quarter of registration, place of registration, surname, mother's surname, and any combo thereof, and something may turn up.

Meanwhile, you could always help the helpers here out by answering a few of these questions!

Firstly, I have looked everywhere I can think of in search of this baby. Mary Mellor died in December 1933 from a concealed haemorage due to pregnancy. She died in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. The baby isn't mentioned on her death certificate and isn't registered as a still birth. I don't know of a Barry Salt in our family and i don't know of the surname Mincher.

Well Kathryn i have looked at each quarter 1932,33,34 and thats the best i can come up with but looks like Debbie has gone away for now

Thanks Debbie for getting back with this perhaps you want to keep these names to one side and see if they fit in at a later date if you get any more info. i.e if Harry had a brother who married a Mincher!!!!

Thanks for your help Janice, but it doesn't ring any bells. I have traced the family members who are left, but they don't seem to want to help. Thanks anyway

So sorry Debbie, but everybody here is just really doing their best to think of possibilities.

Like I said, once the database is updated and searchable, you can do things like search by mother's surname alone, just in case the registration got somehow screwed up for the surname but the mother's surname was correct -- that sort of thing. It's a lot easier to sort and sift through possibilities with a search engine.

If he was placed for adoption immediately, as might have happened with the father left a widower if he was unable to care for a baby, it could be that he was never registered as the parents' child -- I dunno about this at all, but you might want to contact social services in the area and see what could maybe be learned.

Thanks again Kathryn for your help

By the bye, what do you know about Harry Salt?

You still haven't given us an inkling of an idea of what your relationship to these people is. It *matters* -- because there's no use in suggesting ways of finding Mary's family if you *are* Mary's family, or of finding Harry's family if you *are* Harry's family. And finding family can be a way of finding information.

Did Harry remarry? Do you know when he died? Do you know whether he had other children?

Here's Harry's birth, for info:

Name: Harry Harban Salt
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 671

Yes, that's what you have in your tree.

So it would seem likely this is his death:

Name: Harry Salt
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1988
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Ilkeston
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 6
Page: 1059

If it's the Salt side of the family you're not familiar with, do you have the death certificate? It could tell you something. Finding a newspaper obituary on microfilm at the local public library could tell you something about family members.

Maybe I've said this ... but do you know the other people with him in their trees here at GR?

Someone else has a Harry Salt born in Chesterfield in 1902 (I always do a +/- 5 years search). There was no Harry Salt born in 1902, so he sounds like the same one.

... Well, now I see you have several Salts born pre-1900 in your tree, on a tree search for Salts born in Chesterfield. So there's my time wasted apparently.

Couldn't you just provide some of the info requested, that might help someone think of something?

Harry Harban Salt was my grandad, my mums father. Mary Mellor was his first wife. This baby would be my mums step brother. Why he was never spoken off I don't know.My mum remembers hearing of him from one of my grandads sisters when she was a child, and this is why we think he survived. My granddad died in the early 80's and his sister not long after, as i've said, her family doesn't seem to want to give out any information. It doesn't seem as though we are going to get to the bottom of this , but thanks again anyway

Ah.

Seriously though. Hang on a few months until FreeBMD is up to the date, dredge this thread back up by posting something in it, anybody who's posted in it will see it in their "my threads", and we'll play with the searchable database.

Then ... a while later ... we'll get to play with the searchable database for the 1950s and look for the mystery child marrying, having children ...