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Deaths Sep 1850 (>99%)

Coward Frederick John Geo St Southk 4 302



Births Sep 1850 (>99%)

Coward Frederica Elizabeth St Geo. Southk. 4 469




did Frederick die around the same time that Frederica was born?




sylvia

Good night

I have to get ready to go out


maybe someone else will be able to find something!




You may well be right in that they didn't marry ......... but we shoudl be able to find them!!!




sylvia

Sylvia,

I'm having to leave my computer, for the night.

Frederick was a labourer on birth certs

Thanks again.

Marilyn Goodnight to you, x

Glad I could help!!


I'm trying to find Frederica ..... without any success.


I wonder if Frederick was a soldier?????


sylvia

Sylvia,

I have just tried it and it works !!! Thanks( the 1851 )


Marilyn..LOL I 'm quite chuffed ..

So that's how its done......

Sylvia, you have given me loads of help, I don't think the parents ever got married.

I'm so grateful to you .
Thanks once again.for your time

Marilyn x

re the 1851


I entered Ellis in the forename field, 1800 +/- 5, Winchester


and then just scanned down the list of names


Laward just seemed a probable!!




sylvia

and then we have this one


HENRY ELLIS COWARD Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 SEP 1826 St Sepulchre, London, London, England

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: ELLIS COWARD Family
Mother: SARAH

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C025652 1821 - 1831 0375002 Film 6903917 Film
C025652 1832 - 1855 0375003 Film NONE




sylvia

from the International genealogical Idndex on www.familysearch.org .... the Mormon site


This si an EXTRACTED record, taken from the actual parish record


FREDERICK JOHN COWARD Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 DEC 1825 St Sepulchre, London, London, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ELLIS COWARD Family
Mother: SUSAN

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C025652 1821 - 1831 0375002 Film 6903917 Film
C025652 1832 - 1855 0375003 Film NONE



AND .. on the same day, so could be or not twins


JAMES WILLIAM COWARD Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 DEC 1825 St Sepulchre, London, London, England

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: ELLIS COWARD Family
Mother: SUSAN

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C025652 1821 - 1831 0375002 Film 6903917 Film
C025652 1832 - 1855 0375003 Film NONE




sylvia

Oh Sylvia,

Your a STAR !!!

How on earth did you find that ??????? 1851.

Have you got x/ray eyes ..LOL

Thanks I will report that to ancestry,

Marilyn x

? Ellis in 1841

1841 Census

Name: Ellis Coward
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male

Civil parish: St George The Martyr
Hundred: Southwark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road

Ellis Coward 40 S Baker (?????? or S Maker)
Sarah Coward 40
Ellis Coward 3

Address:- Wilson Court, London Road




just trying to see if I can see other children with them




sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

Thats Sarah but with her grandparents .

No parents.......!!

here's Sarah in 1851

You should go to ancestry, and enter a correction of the surname!!


1851 Census

1851 England Census
about Ellis Laward <<<<<<<<<< it is Coward on the image
Name: Ellis Laward
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road

Ellis Laward 50 Walking Stick Dresser
Sarah Laward 44 b.ca 1807, St George's Hanover Square, Doll Dresser
Henry Ellis Laward 24 b.ca 1827, St Sepulchre, Middlesex, Son, Unmarried, Walking Stick Dresser
Ellis Wm Laward 13 b.ca 1838, St George, Southwark, Son, Stick Seller
Sarah Martha Laward 2 b.ca 1849, Southwark, Grandaughter
Henry M Leak 11 b.ca 1840, St George, Southwark, Nephew, Scholar

Address:- 3 George Court, London Road




sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

Have got both birth certs mothers name is Martha,maiden name( Paul)

Fathers name Frederick John Coward ....but cannot find a marriage.

So I thought if I could find either of these two with their parents in the 1851 it would give me a lead as to the age of the parents , and so be able to have a rough idea as to when they were likely got married.
Thanks for your time.
Marilyn

For reference purposes

1861 Census

Name: Ellis Coward
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester

Civil parish: Southwark St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road

Ellis Coward 60 Walking Stick Maker
Sarah Coward 64 b.ca 1797, London
Sarah Martha Coward 12

Address:- 3 Wilson Place


sylvia

Have you got one or both birth certificates?


That would tell you the names of the parent(s)


This looks like the registration for Sarah

Births Sep 1848 (>99%)

Coward Sarah Martha St Geo Southk 4 462




sylvia

Hi Joan,
Both have surnames of Coward. also their grandparents.

Thanks,
Marilyn

Is coward the surname of the girls or are they their maternal gt/parents.

Frederica Elizabeth Coward b1851 & Sarah Martha b 1848 Coward.

I have them both in the 1871 census as servants although Sarah is down as b 1849 (actual b is 1848) both of Southwark.
The 1861 has Sarah Martha b 1849 living with her grandparents Ellis & Sarah Coward. cannot find Frederica in 1861 census.
Would like if possible another pair of eyes to find them in 1851 census ,now I do know that 1851 is not yet complete, but here's
hoping for some luck !!
Many thanks to whomever helps......
Marilyn