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Hi I have wedding certificate of Edith Pitcher married to Alfred Alexander Hampton, 7 aug 1898. It says that her father William Pitcher was deceased at the time of the marriage.

I know that she was born in Shipdham, Norfolk. On searching the census I found a family - father William, mother Martha and on 1881 census Edith appears age 2., and also on 1891 census. They moved to London as the marriage took place at Clerkenwell. However, when I did another search for martha in 1901 I find that she is living in London and so is William - he should be dead by now as it says he was dec on wedding cert of Edith. Help. Am I looking at the wrong family? I have tried relooking but keep coming up with the same findings. Could this be a mistake on the wedding certificate and that he was actually still alive at the time?

Anyone looking at this family tree and found a better answer than mine I would love to hear from you.

Su

Was she 21 or over at the time of the marriage?

She may have lied about her age and therefore lied about her father being dead to explain his absence at the wedding?

She may have fallen out with her father/family and therefore put him down as deceased to explain his absence etc?

Who were the witnesses? Were they her family or Alfred's family or maybe complete strangers?

Jill

Hi

Her age is down as 19 and the witnesses are a William Pitcher (I am assuming this is her brother if her father was deceased) and the other witness is her husbands sister,so it all looks above board. I did wonder if she had fallen out with anyone too. No way of knowing.

the addresses that groom and bride lived at were a couple of doors away in the same street so I am guessing that family were all close.

Su

1881 England Census
about Edith Pitcher
Name: Edith Pitcher
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Shipdham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipdham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: Pound Green
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Mitford
Sub registration district: Shipdham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Pitcher 42
Martha Pitcher 39
Walter Pitcher 17
Fanny Pitcher 14
Harriet Pitcher 12
William Pitcher 8
Fredk. Pitcher 6
Clara Pitcher 4
Edith Pitcher 2
Ellen Pitcher 10

Hi Tania

Yes thats the same family that I found - my problem is if you follow them through to 1901 William is still alive but according to the wedding cert he was dead before 1898. How can that be?
Su

1901 England Census
about Martha Pitcher
Name: Martha Pitcher
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Kennington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members:
Name Age
William Pitcher 63
Martha Pitcher 61
Clara Pitcher 23

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its quite true wot mrs grumpy said...and that could be your family unless u get birth certificate. or ask some one on records to do a record office check for a baptising

Wow, you guys are quick with the answers! I am running backwards and forwards from kitchen to computer - I am preparing a beef stew!

Thanks for all the stuff you have found so far. It would appear that maybe William wasn't dead at the time of the wedding - could have been a mistake on who ever was filling in the form or maybe he just wasnt there.

Anyway, how do I go about getting a baptism check? Where do I go for one of those - is it done online?
Su

Edith PITCHER Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 1879 Shipdham, Norfolk, England
Parents:
Father: William PITCHER Family
Mother: Martha Pease

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.

Did it give an occupation for her father William on cert?

Can you give us ALL the details from there please?

Dea x

Dea x

From the same submitted record

Husband
WIlliam PITCHER Pedigree

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Wife
Martha PEASE Pedigree
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Children

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1. William PITCHER Pedigree
Male

Birth: 1864 Shipdham, Norfolk, England
Christening:

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2. Edith PITCHER Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1880 Shipdham, Norfolk, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Wedding cert details are
Alfred Alexander Hampton 22 Bachelor, Stoker, 58 Spencer Street,
father William Hampton (Dec) coppersmith

Edith Pitcher, 19, spinster, 55 Spencer Street,
father William Pitcher (Dec), labourer.
The wedding took place on August 7th 1898.

Su

Hi Dea

Is this information enough to help with your search? Let me know if you need anything more.

Su

Yes thanks - I HAVE been looking but I can find no more!

It would seem the wedding cert 'lied' ??

I can think of no other explanation.

I will have another look after Dinner but don't think I will find anything - sorry!

Dea x

Hi Dea

Thanks for all your help. Really do appreciate it.

I shall also continue after dinner, will probably just have to put it down to human error or family arguments!

Su x

The groom's father is also William and marked deceased. I wonder if the registrar got confused.

Hi Christine

Yes thats exactly what I thought too. He was only human after all - looks like I shall never really know for sure, ho hum.

Su

for ref
1901 Address: 5, Shepherds Place, Lambeth
HAMPTON, Alexander Head Married M 26 1875 Late Stoker R N
Deptford
London VIEW
HAMPTON, Edith Wife Married F 21 1880
Norfolk VIEW
HAMPTON, Edith M Daughter F 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Clerkenwell
London

1891 Address: 8, Pound Green Road, Shipdham
PITCHER, Wm Head Married M 55 1836 Agricultural Labourer
Shipdham
Norfolk
PITCHER, Martha Wife Married F 52 1839 Field Gang Mistress
Shipdham
Norfolk
PITCHER, Wm Son Single M 17 1874 Field Gang Mistress
Shipdham
Norfolk
PITCHER, Frederick Son Single M 15 1876 Field Gang Mistress
Shipdham
Norfolk
PITCHER, Clara Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar
Shipdham
Norfolk
PITCHER, Edith Daughter Single F 11 1880 Scholar
Shipdham
Norfolk

1871 Address: Pound Green, Shipdham
PITCHER, William Head M 33 1838 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Martha Wife F 30 1841 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Charlotte Daughter F 12 1859 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Mary Ann Daughter F 11 1860 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Betsy Daughter F 9 1862 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Walter Son M 7 1864 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Laura Daughter F 5 1866 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Fanny Daughter F 3 1868 Norfolk VIEW
PITCHER, Harriet Daughter F 2 1869 Norfolk

That is a lot of children they had.
New theory
He felt dead after producing that lot bit like man flu -poor Martha carries on LOL