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Links between Frederick Gatenby Robinson (1899) and Gatenby family. Do you know of any please?

This birth:
Births Jun 1899
Robinson Frederick Gatenby Middlesbro' 9d 676

Have you started to trace his parents and family to look for the connection?

Also Peter, have you tried putting the nmes you are researching into the Search Trees box above? It may be thtat there are others on this site who are researching the same famiy and may have some information for you. If you do find a connection you can contact the tree owner.

There are many Gatenby/Robinson marriages on FreeBMD.

According to his attestation papers (WW1) his mother was Elizabeth.

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Frederick Robinson
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Thornaby, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Robinson 32 >>>Widow born Hartlepool
Robert Robinson 10
Joseph Robinson 4
Frederick Robinson 1
James Thompson Matchett 38
Thompson Addison 49


1891

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Elizabeth Robinson
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Stockton On Tees
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Stockton
County/Island: Durham
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Robinson 21
Elizabeth Robinson 22
Elizabeth Bambrough 3

Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
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Bamborough Elizabeth Veitch Middlesbro' 9d 788
Fairless Henry Middlesbro' 9d 788
Robinson Betsy Middlesbro' 9d 788
Robinson Robert Middlesbro' 9d 788

Wow! Thanks for all the advice & help.

This is where I had got to:

My direct relative Margaret Hilda Dawson (1924) married Frederick H ROBINSON (1923) and I noticed that Fred's father was called Frederick Gatenby ROBINSON. I also know that her great aunt on the other side of the family Margaret Jane Dawson (1883) married William Marley GATENBY (1885) but this (new to me) reference to the Gatenby name I found of great interest. Perhaps some sort of cousins married. I have not been able to find the connection between the Robinson's and Gatenby's that goes back further on the maternal side which will link to William Marley Gatenby.

The marriage certificate of Frederick Gatenby ROBINSON (1899) to Gladys WATKIN (m 28.3.1921) gives a clue because it has Frederick's dad's name as Gatenby Robinson, deceased. So I set about trying to find a Gatenby name in the maternal side of the Robinson's but with no luck.

I cannot confirm the father of Frederick Gatenby Robinson (1899) as Gatenby Robinson but rather his parents to be Robert Robinson (abt 1869) and an interesting lady born as Elizabeth Veitch SYKES, first married to Charles Bamborough in 1887 and then to Robert Robinson in 1891. Elizabeth's parents were James Reed SYKES and Veitch ATKIN.

The parents of Robert Robinson (1869) seem to be John Robinson (abt 1839) and Susannah INGRAM (abt 1839)

The parents of Gladys Watkin (1893) were John Watkin and Sarah Summerfield.

So no Gatenby names anywhere.

If you can help in any way with the link between the Gatenby and Robinson familes I would be delighted.

Peter Dawson

There's this family in 1891. Any connection?

1891 census
Grove Hill, Marton, Middlesbrough
Andrew Gatenby Robinson, head, 53, living on own means, born Middlesbrough
Augusta Emily, wife, 41, born Manchester, Lancs
Catherine, dau, 16, born South Bank, Yorks
Amelia Caroline, dau, 10, born Middlesbrough
William, son, 9, born "
Arthur Alfred, son, 8, born "
Ernest, son, 4, born "
Isabella Joyce, servant, 25, born West Hartlepool, Durham

And his death:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Andrew Gatenby Robinson Name: Andrew Gatenby Robinson
Probate Date: 24 Dec 1913
Death Date: 15 May 1913
Death Place: Middlesbrough, Yorkshire - North Riding, England
Registry: London


Original says probate granted to James Robinson, house agent and Elizabeth Robinson, widow. Estate was 4417 pounds, 5 shillings, 2 pence.

Then there's a death of a Margaret Ann Gatenby Robinson in Stockton:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Margaret Ann Gatenby Robinson Name: Margaret Ann Gatenby Robinson
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stockton
County: Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume: 10a
Page: 35 (click to see others on page)

Evidently she's the daughter of William Robinson & Ann Gatenby :

Margaret Ann Gatenby ROBINSON c 2/2/1857 Eston William ROBINSON & Ann GATENBY

According to this site:

http://www.gatenby.org.uk/Other/Middle%20name%20Gatenby's.html

The same site says that Andrew Gatenby Robinson was son of James Robinson & Ann Gatenby:

Andrew Gatenby ROBINSON c 18/11/1837 West Acklam James ROBINSON & Ann GATENBY

From the address he gives on his Military papers of 14 Gauntlet Street Middlesbrough. It appears to be the same Elizabeth that married Robert Robinson

MATCHETT, G Thompson Head Married M 48 1863 Moulders Labourer Armagh Ireland VIEW
25 ROBINSON, Elizabeth Housekeeper Widow F 43 1868 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
25 ROBINSON, Robert Boarder Single M 19 1892 General Labourer Durham Stockton VIEW
25 ROBINSON, Joseph Boarder Single M 15 1896 Rivetters Catcher Yorks Thornaby VIEW
25 ROBINSON, Frederick Boarder M 12 1899 School Yorks Thornaby VIEW
25 MATCHETT, Isabel Daughter F 7 1904 Yorks Mmiddlesbro VIEW
25 MATCHETT, George Son M 4 1907 Yorks Mmiddlesbro VIEW



Address:
14 Gauntlet St Middlesbrough County:
Yorkshire (North riding)

Mmm

If this is Robert's death then it would mean that he could not be Frederick's father. There is another death in 1900 but that is for Robert George D Robinson age 29 and on the marriage registration it just says Robert.

Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Robinson Robert 27 Middlesbro' 9d 426

If the marriage certificate states Fred's (1899) father as Gatenby, why do you believe
'I cannot confirm the father of Frederick Gatenby Robinson (1899) as Gatenby Robinson but rather his parents to be Robert Robinson (abt 1869) and an interesting lady born as Elizabeth Veitch SYKES'
Is this from the birth certificate?
Thanks

Reply to Patchem

The only reference to Gatenby Robinson I can find is the marriage certificate of his son which said he was "Gatenby Robinson, deceased". All other references to Frederick Gatenby Robinson's father were named Robert Robinson. I have not bothered with Frederick's birth certificate as I have confirmed his d.o.b. from his WW1 papers and census returns which show the family as follows:

1881 - According to the census Robert (Frederick's dad) was 13 and lived with his parents and sister Elizabeth at 1 Hammerton Street, Burnley Lancs.

1891 - Married Elizabeth Bamborough (maiden name Sykes) Jan/Feb/March 1891.

1891 - At the time of the census Robert was living at 28b (or 28 1/2) William Street, Stockton-on-Tees with his new wife Elizabeth and step daughter Elizabeth Bamborough, aged 3. He was a shipyard labourer.

1921 - By the time his son married Gladys Watkin, Robert had already died.

1901 - Frederick Gatenby Robinson was listed in the census as living with his mother Elizabeth (32), who was the head of household, and siblings Robert (10) and Joseph (4) at 5 Hall Street, Middlesbrough. In addition they had a lodger called James Thompson Matchett, an Irishman who worked at the steel works.

1911 - Frederick Gatenby Robinson was listed in the census as living with his mother Elizabeth (43) and siblings Robert (19) and Joseph (15) who were all the lodgers of Mr Thompson Matchett at 14 Gauntlet Street, Middlesbrough. Mr Matchett was a Moulders Labourer at the steel factory and he was Irish.

1917 - Joined the Army 23.4.1917. He lived at 14 Gauntlet Street at the time and listed his trade as a 'horse driver'. He was aged 17 years months. Recruited to the 14th Training Reserve Battalion.


Peter Dawson

As i said in my previous post if that is Robert's death in 1897 then he can't be Fredericks father. It could be that Elizabeth became pregnant from an affair with a Mr Gatenby after Robert had died. You will not be able to substantiate any of this unless you buy his birth certificate and the death certificate for Robert to see if it is him.
And if i could just add that it helps if you post all of the information you have in your original message rather than have people waste time looking for information that you already have. Frustrating to say the least!

Reply to Astra
I don't think I ever said Robert died in 1897. I thought the convention was to put birth year in brackets after a name to help identify people and add death year if known. Thus Robert (1869) meaning born 1869.
Sorry about not providing all the obvous information up front. I did not because I did not expect people to provide me with the easy stuff which I had assumed everyone should find before posting a message. I think you are probably right and I should send for Frederick Gatenby Robinson's birth cert.
I have checked out all other links suggested by people so far but with no clear joy. I perhaps need some more thinking time but remain convinced that somewhere a Gatenby female ancestor has married into the Robinson line that relates to Frederick.

Peter

Dear Peter, There may not be any paternity problem! 'Gatenby' may have been the maiden name of one of FGR's relatives. My own middle name is my paternal grandmother's maiden name! and my brother's middle name is our maternal grandmother's maiden name.
Incidentally some of my Pouncey and Gatenby ** ancestors (originally from Yorkshire) had the same naming tradition.

best wishes, Steve Kirby

** Yes, Gatenby ... what a coincidence!