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Hi Guys

I'm trying to find the marrage of James Sillars and Agnes McNee. I cant find any trace of them on Scotlands people. They do appear on Family Search but the name of James is spelled Sellers. On family search it states hey were married in Abbey (paisley) Scotland in the year 1821. The problrm is that i cant find any proof on Scotlands peole to back this up.


Could anyone please help me shed a bit of life on this one.

Best Regards

Garry McCallum

I dont think Scottish BMDS records started that early for registration so you would need Parish Records, Was the info on family Search an extracted or submitted record? If Extracted then that would be the parish record. Differences in spellings arent unusual as many couldn't read or write so it would be as the vicar thought it was spelt

Hi Garry

Sellers or even Sellars actually sounds like a more likely name. Is the marriage on IGI an extracted one? In which case it is likely to be pretty sound.

No it isn't extracted. The submitter has a child Angus Calderwood Sellers b 1822. Does that tie in with your research?

Yet - the christening of Angus is an extracted record, parents James Sellers and Agness McNie.

That seems sound.

You might not find them on Scotlands People if they have died before the first census.

Hi Garry,
The birth for Angus Sellers b. 1822 Abbey Paisley is on scotlandspeople
with the correct parents, also Agnes Sellers b. 7/2/1825, Christened 6/3/1825 Abbey Paisley. Both extracted records.

The only Sellers marriage I can find in that area for 1821 is in Greenock, Renfrew (Old or West.) No credits left to check the female surname unfortunately.

Don't suppose this will help you any but just wondered if you had found both of these records.

Kind Regards
Kath

Most of the OPRs on Scotlandspeople are Church of Scotland records. So if your ancestors did not marry in the Church of Scotland you will have to look at other sources eg they may have been Catholic, Episcopalian, Methodist, Congregational, United Free etc.

Hi Guys

Thanks for the info!

Shirley Thats great, I did'nt know about the Extract or submited part,i'll go back and re-check what i have done. When i use family search i just use the first page that comes up when you go t the website, I dont know how to use the IGI section. Infact i could'nt even tell you how to get to it,could one of you guys mabee explain it to me.

Madmeg James did have a son called Angus whitch is on my direct family line, but he was born In 1839 in Loudoun Ayrshire. But you have came up with something i'm about to re-check! You mentiond " Agnes McNie" this is differnt spelling of the surname i have! So i might be able to use this to find the marrage. Can I ask where you found that info?

Kath Where did you find the info on Angus? I think i will go back to Angus just to re-check i have the right one.

Thanks again for the help guys! I will go back to scotlands people and double check a few things,then i will get back to you's and let you know what i come up with

Garry

I have been searching all last night on scotlands peolple,with no joy!! Can anyone else come up woyh anything? How can i access the IGI records that you are reffering too!!

Regards

Garry

Hi Garry,

If you go to www.familysearch.org & then go to advanced search you will be able to search for your ancestors.
Just beware of submitted records as they are not always correct, if what you find is extracted records, then they are more reliable.
Also, when searching on scotlandspeople for McNee/McNie etc make sure you use soundex.
Hope this helps
Kath

Garry,
Is this your Angus?
It is an extracted record.


IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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ANGUS CALDERWOOD SELLERS Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 OCT 1822 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES SELLERS Family
Mother: AGNESS MCNIE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


And his sister Agnes.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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AGNES SELLERS Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 07 FEB 1825

Christening: 06 MAR 1825 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES SELLERS Family
Mother: AGNES MCNEE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Regards
Kath

Hi Garry.Familysearch web site.If you go to advanced page and scroll down to the IGI index,and submitt the name and details that you have.If one comes up that fits with correct details ,open that one,then scroll down to batch number ,click on it ,click on search ,and you are into parish records for that area.
If the Surname is far down the alphabet and it is a large town ,you may find "Hughwallis" site better for you.Don't rely on submitted entries for main lines ,check them out.

Garry, you say that the Angus who is your direct line, was born 1839 in Loudon, Ayrshire, parents James Sillars and Agnes McNie. Where did you get this info from? I cannot find an Angus with that DOB and POB in the censuses.

I suspect Garry has found this on IGI:
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Angus Sillers Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth: 1839 Loudoun, Ayr, Scotland

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Marriages:
Spouse: Jane Jamie Family
Marriage: 1862 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Garry, this could be a totally different Angus (well it probably is). As you are now aware, you need to treat submitted records with great caution, they are not checked by anyone before being added to the IGI and could just be someone else's best guess or even worse. I certainly wouldn't realy on a record such as this one. The person who submitted the one with the marriage of James and Agnes seems more reliable as they have the right children as well - but should still be treated with caution and checked to see if it ties up with a extracted record, which this one did.

Sounds as though you could usefully read the thread on searching the IGI - try putting it in the search box. I'll have a look for it, but am not very good at finding old threads.

Margaret

I suspect you are right about the birth record, Madmeg, but I wonder if he got the parent's names from Angus's marriage cert?

There is a birth to an Angus Sillers and Jane Jamie on the IGI (extracted) in Loudon in 1864, so there is some connection to Loudon.

Potty, I don't know what info is on a Scottish marriage cert. An English one would only give the father's name but might give the couples' ages.

Hi Garry.It is very unlikely that the Angus Calderwood Sellers christened the 6.10.1822 Paisley(Abbey) father James Sellers,mother Agness McNie is not yours.The church person who wrote that would have written it as it was pronounced to him,and how he heared it .It is very unlikely another couple with the same names ,called their child also with the same name as you are looking for.In 7yrs .i have came across it Once to people of the same name married ,and then it was different counties.

Madmeg.The Scotlands people site for BMD gives you a lot more info than an English Certificate.Birth details give you both parents and date and place of their marriage.Parish record Chrs.gives both parents full names.Marriages gives you both parents,whither still living,what job the Father does ,or did.Parish Marriages may tell you where the groom came from,or what he does for a living.Death details gives who they were married to ,what they did for a living,whither they where widowed.Their parents,whither they are still living,and what the father did for a living.That is for by the normal things expected.Scotlands people gives you all this for £6 for 30 units .search a page uses a unit.looking at a BMD takes 5 units.

Margaret

Scottish marriege certificates (after 1855) give the following information (as submitted by the Bride and Groom)

Date and Place of Marriage
Groom's age, occupation, maritial status (ie Bachelor / Widower) and address.
His father's name and occupation and if deceased
His Mother's name including maiden surname and if deceased
Brides's age, occupation, maritial status and address.
Her father's name and occupation and if deceased
Her Mother's name including maiden surname and if deceased
Name of Minister or other person conducting ceremony
Names of witnesses (and sometimes their address too)
Date and place that the marriage was registered.

1851 Census Angus Sillers c1825 Johnstone .hand loom weaver of cotton,married to Jean c1829 Loudon,cloth clipper of cotton.Staying at Union St,Loudon.People born in Johnstone were christined at Paisley(Abbey) It also explains the wrong details being put in the Familysearch site.
1861 Census he then states born Barhead ,but the wifes details are the same,he,s a cotton weaver ,staying at Henriette St..,Galston,
Agnes c1854 Loudon
James c1856 loudon
Janet c1858 loudon
William c1861 Galston
1871 Census back to Angus c 1825 Johnstone,Cotton Weaver ,West High St.Kirkintilloch
Janet c1858 Newmills,Ayrshire,19.5.1858 Loudon,Father Angus ,mother Jean Jomie ?
No wife ?
1881 Census not found?
1891 Census Angus Silors c1825 Johnstone,tapestry Carpet Weaver,Boarder at 30 Barrowfield St.,Camlachie ,Glasgow.
Jane Jariay Silors c1829 Newmills,wife.
1901 Census not found?
1841 Census Angus Sellers c1826.Hand Loom Weaver,
James Sellers c1801,cotton hand loom weaver
Janet c1828
Mary c 1830,Winder
All at Yeat St,Camlachie
1851 Census James c1801 not found
Mitchell Library,Glasgow has burial records.
Angus Sillars and Jean Jamey 26.11.1848 Barony
Parish Registers for Barony 1672-1854 Church of Scotland
Even the Scotlandspeople has the wrong ages ,way out.
Angus born 1869 marriage of parents december 1848
His father also Angus dies 1891 ands says he's 58.makes him born 1833 .Worse ages i've came across.All parents names tie in.

Hi Guys

Thank you for all the info! I'm going to go back and check throught BMD Certs and double check who i really have. I do beleive i have the right People,but theres a little shadow of doubt now. I'll let yous know what i come up with.

Regards

Garry