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hi

Having a bit of difficulty and hope that someone with more savvy can help us.

Hubby's g-grandad Samuel Barton married to Helen Smith (don't know anything more about their past or when they were married). Had 13 children? 1 definate is Betty born 1925.

Betty told us that her Dad committed suicide when she was 8 (although we also had this written down from earlier chats as 1930!)

having searched indexes in Yorkshire area (the family lived in Doncaster) from 1929 to 1933 we can't find Samuel's 'death' anywhere!!!

Are we just being silly and missing something?

Would records of the day be kept somewhere - ie.inquest? ANY help gratefully received.

I cannot even find a Betty birth!!

Inquest records may well be held at the local records office or library, but mostly they don't survive.

we definately know Betty was born - and she was registed Betty! Barton in April 1925 qtr = she's hubby's nanna.

Ok! I have found her birth,,,,

Do you know when the eldest child was born?

Siblings to Betty?

Births Mar 1918
Barton Harold Smith Doncaster 9c 1574

Births Sep 1920
Barton Elsie W Smith Doncaster 9c 1820

Births Mar 1923
Barton Eric S Smith Doncaster 9c 1627

Births Mar 1927
Barton Clarence R Smith Doncaster 9c 1491

Marriage?

Could Samuel be actually George Samuel and Helen be Ellen??

Marriages Mar 1906
Barton George Samuel Doncaster 9c 897

Smith Ellen Doncaster 9c 897

Well done on your above work!
I've looked and looked for a marriage for Samuel and Helen - I think you're on to a winner with this.
A death for George S Barton needs to be looked for. The use of his middle name could well be why his death has been so hard to find.

Well done again!

ok you think he died in the region on 1930 to 1935?

Well done - that was doing my head in!!

Nicki

Either one of these is likely to be his birth...

Births Mar 1873
Barton George Samuel Salford 8d 113

Births Sep 1873
Barton George Samuel Macclesfield 8a 139


....and *probably* him in 1901.... all the other George S Barton's i can see are married already.... Unless your George was married twice?

1901 England Census

Name: George S Barton
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary J
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Drypool

Charlotte Barton 11
Emily Barton 9
George Barton 39
George S Barton 14
John T Barton 16
Louisa Barton 6
Mary J Barton 37
Walter T Barton 4

This could be him. Although just seen the above possible birth and he wouldn't fit with him.

George S Barton, death reg Q1, 1933, district of Hull, aged 46 - 9d 421

Helen

You have to remember a death record is only as good as the person giving the info... if someone doesn't know the right data then this incorrect data is recorded on the death cert as fact...

Sadly it happens all the time..........

The best thing to do is order the marriage cert, this will give you his fathers name, you can use this for the census data.

Thanks for all the help, will try following these up, and will try to find out from Nanna if she knows any specific details.

June And Dave

You might want to try the local papers for then, the suicide may well have made the news...

Hi June there is a burial in Hyde Park Cemetery Doncaster for a George Samual Barton Died 19-02-1932 age 53 His grave no. ux 52 there is no headstone or marking on the grave. Best of luck Margaret

Great work Margaret! Fingers crossed it's him.
I've located the death reg for the above chap:

George S Barton, reg Q1, 1932, Doncaster, aged 53yrs - 9c 1057

Best of Luck June

x

Hi June the date i gave you was the burial date not the death date Good luck margaret

hi

Thanks SO much for all the help people have given us on this quest!

We have a good feeling about the burial in Hyde Park as that is quite near Balby where Nanna's childhood home was - so that would tie up.

We are trying to find out if her parents were just known as Samuel and Helen but actually George Samuel and Ellen....

Going to order the death cert for George as i'm sure that will help quite a bit...

Although if he was 53 when he died then that makes him born in approx 1879 so we can start again to look for him.

Have also contacted the Doncaster archives to see if we can access the inquest records for the suicide.

Thanks again to everyone - as we really appreicate the help!