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ok. I may have a little puzzle to work out. Joseph Nolan was born on 10/05/1924 he was my husbands father. The only information I have on him comes from his 76 year old wife. Should just be a simple birth search, but NOT.
Can I find him, not a bloomin chance, unless I have missed him.
May (His wife) said that Joe was born in Salford, Manchester, and his parents were Peter Nolan and Emma Wolsencroft. We have no more info on his parents at all.
I asked May if there was any chance at all that Joe had been adopted or his mother re-married etc, the usual things but she said not that she knows off.

Can someone please do a double check on the births and see if I may have missed something.
Thank you

Debbie.x

Possible? Easily found on FreeBMD
Births Jun 1924 (73%)
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Nolan Joseph Boardman Salford 8d 245

Not the birth..........but

Name: Emma Wolstencroft
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Nolan
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 46
Peter Nolan

So does that mean that Peter Nolan was married previously to someone called boardman? Interesting. Thank you Reggie for the extra information. That proves there was a marriage at least to work on. Im still puzzled, where does boardman come into it.......

It does mean however that your husbands father *may* have had a mother contrary to whom he thought it was?....

...assuming that's him

It may mean that Emma had been married previously.........

If her maiden name was Boardman, that would appear on the birth index, but she would re-marry under her first married name............

Interesting....If he indeed did have another mother, what on earth happened. I would dearly love to know, but if the family never knew, there is no one to ask.....

As in.............

Name: Emma Boardman
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's Surname: Wolstoncroft
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 64
James Wolstencroft

never thought of that Reggie. She could have indeed been married previously.

This is a real shot in the dark..........from the CWGC site

Name: WOLSTENCROFT
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 04/12/1917
Service No: 376254
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XI. B. 11.
Cemetery: POELCAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY

looking at the dates, she was in a race to get married.
Emma Boardman married Wolstencroft 2nd quarter in 1817 but then marries Peter Nolan in the 4th quarter in 1918. mmm still a mystery, and what was the hurry....

Oh Reggie, that would be a crying shame, if she married in the spring and then lost her husband....

Name: Peter Nolan
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Boardman
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 235

Would this be a fly in the ointment?


Births Mar 1912
Wolstencroft Mary E Boardman Salford 8d 278


Births Mar 1922
Wolstencroft Irene Boardman Salford 8d 78

so would that be two possible sisters then? I think I am going to have to phone my mother in law again, I knew about Peter Nolan, she never mentioned anything about sisters...mmmmm Its like opening a can of worms, you are never sure about what your getting into to.......

Well...

I only threw in those children in case Mr Wolstencroft didn't die in 1917(and the one found is purely co-incidence), however Peter Nolan born in 1921 and Irene Wolstencroft born in 1922 cannot be siblings.

I was just trying to prove there was a Boardman/Wolstencroft marriage in Salford at that time, and therefore the marriage Reg found may not be relevant.

Just chucking it all in the pot.

Debbie

The only sure way to proceed is to order the cert for the birth Keith found........using all the info you are SURE of as checking points......his parents' forenames would be ideal.....don't include mother's surname........

If it's the right one, they'll send it, and you can then find out exactly what the situation was..........if Emma had been married previously, it should be on the cert........

Definately be sure to post the results here....

Love to know the answers to some mysteries !!

Ok just come off the phone to my Mother in Law. She has indeed confirmed that Emma was married twice, and there was the three children between the two marriages. Joseph, peter and half sister mary. It has taken a lot of prompting, because she knew little of her husbands family, they were not very close, So Thank you very much for all of your help, I have managed to add the information to my tree.