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Hi Chris and welcome to the Community boards.


As you seem to be looking for members with the Mills surname, try putting the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above. That will show you if anyone else has those names in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owners.

Cx.

Chris, a very old thread - click on the send message link under Alwyn's name to try to make contact that way

Hi Alwyn,
I know quite a lot about Richard Mills, his 2 wives, and his Mills descendants. Richard Mills was 4x great grandfather. Florence Annie Mills born c.1905 in South Stoneham parish was my grandmother. The Mills family all moved from Mottisfont, Hampshire to Lyndhurst, Hants. Once there the family seemed to split into 2 - one group moving to Southampton / South Stoneham parish and the other staying put in Lyndhurst. In the 1900s most moved into Southampton / Winchester area.
I'm afraid I can't find any connection with your James Walter Mills and his father William.
Christened on November 30, 1828 shown as the illigitimate son of Anne Stote (maybe Haskins or Hoskins was the father's name).
NB - Thomas Mills was still married to Mary at this time and didn't marry Anne Stote until after Marys death.
"William Stote, aged 18, and Henry Howels, aged 22 (who both according to the Magistrates could read and write imperfectly) were committed on October 7, 1846, charged with having on October 4 instant, at the Parish of Lyndhurst, feloniously stolen divers moneys, the property of Joseph Short."
Both were given 7 years transportation.
NB - Joseph Short was the landlord of the cottage which William's parents Thomas and Ann Mills were renting!

I'm afraid that I can't see any connection with Mills from Micheldever, or Folkestone but if you can some more detailed dates on either William or James Walter I will look further.
Best regards, Chris

Hello Everbody,

Sorry to be a bit of a bore; but I really am trying to find the link between my branch of the Mills Family and that of Henry/Harry "Brusher" Mills. Older members of my family are strongly of the view that 'Brusher' was a Great Uncle (once, twice & thrice remove), one, an uncle now sadly deceased, was born in 1911 and referred to him as his 'Great Uncle Brusher'.

Brusher's parents were Thomas (b.1799) & Ann Mills (b.1804, nee Stote), and James parents, I think, were William (b.1779) & Elizabeth Mills (b.1778, maiden name unknown), but what is the connection? Were Thomas Mills's father Richard and James's Father William, in fact brothers or am I barking up the wrong tree? Have I the wrong William & Elizabeth?

James Mills Parents were aged 72 and 73 at the 1861 Census. Please can YOU help?

Thank You,

Alwyn.

Hi There Kathryn,

Many thanks for your several replies, and the info thertein. You must have spent hours seeking all of this out! Thank you.

I have looked into William Stote, but apparently he was caught theiving and sentenced to 7 years transportation, so I think it can't be him. It also explains his absence on the 1841 Census, and yes, I think you do indeed have the right family.

I think it is the same Maria Mills; I assume the date of the record quoted is the 1861 Census. Her husband James (son of the mysterious William Mills) apparently joined the Army and went out to India, where he apparently disappeared. It is not known whether he died in action, of disease, returned to the UK but didn't go home, or even stayed in India and 'went native' with some local maiden (Achmed Mills has a certain ring to it don't you think, and for bathchairs read rickshaws?). Maria had a young family, how many I dont know, the only child I know of is James Walter (b.1852), my Great Grandfather, so she may well have gone into service to keep her head above water and provide for her young family.

Reference the James Miles age 9 in the Pearce household (1861 Census) could this be a misprint or mis-spell for Mills? According to your researches earlier Maria was a widow by 1861 and was living & working in London. It would make sense that if her son James Walter was the only child before her husband went to India, that she would leave him with her parents whilst she did so. My James Walter definately came from the Micheldever area. When his birth and Marriage Certicate copies arrive shortly I hope to clear some of this up.

I will try that mormon site perhaps friday evening or over the weekend and see hopw I get on though I have to admit to not being very computer literate.

Anyway Kathryn, thank you very much for your endeavours on my (and Wendy's) behalf and I will let you know what I can come up with.

For Now,

Regards,

Alwyn.

In 1851, there is this James Mills born in Mottisfont who might be a candidate for being son of the Thomas born in Mottisfont whom you referred to at the outset:

Name: James Mills
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Mottisfont, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Lyndhurst
County/Island: Hampshire

He and Jane and their children are still together in 1861.

James Jr. in 1861 -- dang! wrong grandparents:


Name: James Miles
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Micheldever, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Micheldever
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Winchester
Sub registration district: Mitcheldever
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 50

James Miles 9
Charles Pearce 58
George Pearce 13
Sarah Pearce 50

Is this Maria (Pearce/Pierce) Mills in 1861?


Name: Maria Mills
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Micheldever, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Occupation: House Servant
Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Household schedule number: 87

Alwyn -- what might you think of this person? This is from the IGI:


WILLIAM HOSKINS STOTE
Christening: 30 NOV 1828 Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England
Mother: ANN STOTE
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: J145101


A child of Ann's before her marriage, and he named his stepfather as father when he married?


There's also (you click on the Batch No. in the record for that William, and search for Stote with mother Ann):


GEORGE STOTE
Christening: 15 JUN 1823 Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England
Mother: ANNE STOTE
Batch No.: J145101


This is the Thomas/Ann Mills household in Lyndhurst in 1841 -- do I have the right ones?

Ann Mills 35
Ann Mills 7
Emma Mills 14
Fanny Mills 10
Henry Mills 1
Maria Mills 8
Sarah Mills 4
Thomas Mills 40


No William, no George ... but they could have flown the nest by then ...



Aargh, no -- your James was born circa 1830, so his father wasn't born in 1828. Aargh.

But heck, those just might be some cousins for you anyhow!

Alwyn -- that site is

http://www.familysearch.org

All the info there is free -- what you mainly want is the IGI. First you click "advanced search" , then "International Genealogical Index" over on the left. It can be worth poking around in the pedigree files a bit too, but one usually doesn't want to rely on them.

Ditto for anything in the IGI that isn't "extracted", i.e transcribed from parish records. If it's "submitted" it may be entirely accurate, but it may also be bumph someone made up in order to baptise his/her ancestors. Some twit remotely related to me has one of my ancestors marrying his mother, for instance.

The thing with the IGI is that it's very incomplete. For example, it's pretty good for Cornwall, and next to useless for Devon. It all depends on what churches allowed the Mormons access.

After 1837, you want FreeBMD

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

(the red "search" button in the lower left, *not* the Ancestry ad at the top). Sometimes there is also info in the IGI that tells you what would be on the post-1837 certificate if you ordered it.

But that's just general info for future ref -- I think Elizabeth here, with the Hampshire parish records, is probably your best bet!


btw -- my great-grandfather's first wife's stepfather ws a bath chair man too. ;)

Hi There Cousin Wendy!

I too had thought of Parish Records etc, but I have the following problems a). that I am disabled, b). I am a Senior Citizen (pensioner) and therefore, c). I don't have too much dosh to splash out on searches by professionals.

So, yes, if there is anyone out there who can tell thee and me how access can be gained to GB Parish Records gratis or at minimum outlay cost I too would be grateful.

I did hear that there is a Mormon Ancestry site in America that has/had copies of all British/UK Parish Records and these are/were available but I have been unable to ascertain how to get access to them and at what cost! Help, someone, please?

Regards and Best Wishes,

Alwyn

Hi Alwyn,
I was just wondering if Parish records are available online. Maybe somebody could let us know how to go about solving this mystery. It's consuming me, even from 24,000 miles away!
Would the G.R. Family History Research Expert, Anthony Adolph be worth a try on May 20th? I just get the feeling that an expert may be needed for this.
Wendy

Hi Katherine,

Yes, Wendy and I are acquainted. We are cousind it is just a case of how distant! [24,000 miles at the last count!!!]
Many thanks, regards,
Alwyn F Mills.

Someone on yesterday's thread about the same people directed that poster to your thread -- so we should do the same here. ;)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1029510

Wendy, looking for info about the same Harry. Are you acquainted??

Hi there Elizabeth,
Many thanks for your prompt reply and information; I have only been tracing my faliky since June or July last year and the Censuses I find difficult to get into. So far I have only suceeded in finding two relatives, both James Walter Mills, in 1891 at 12 The Street,Sparsholt, and 1901 at 4 Broadmead Road, Folkestone. (Coincidentally my daughter and her family have a flat in Broiadmead Road, just about 200 yoards from the old family home!).

Regards,
Alwyn.

Hi Sophie,

My Grandfather, Harry Mills, is registered. on Winchester, 2c 117 (b.1877 Hurst Common, Micheldever), Married 1902 in Ash, Kent (Reg. Eastry, Kent, 2a 1839) and his death at Canterbury in 1967 is Conterbury, 5f 100.

On his Marriage Certificate his occupation is noted as 'Bathchairman'. He worked for his father James Walter Mills hiring out Bathchairs to the gentry taking the bracing sea airs on the promenade at Folkestone.

Thanks for your quick reply,

Regards,
Alwyn.

Alwyn,
I have checked the Baptism Index 1813-1841 and the Marriage Index 1754-1837.

The Thomas who was father of Henry (Brusher) married twice.

His first marriage was to Mary FRAMPTON 08June 1819 at Lyndhurst
They had the following children baptised at Lyndhurst:
18 Nov 1821-James
25 Apr 1824-Mary Anne
10 Sept 1826-Caroline
28 Feb 1830-Charles

Mary died and was buried 18 September 1831 at Lyndhurst age 35

Thomas then married Ann STOTE 04 November 1833 at Lyndhurst
They had the following children baptised at Lyndhurst
16 Feb 1834-Maria
16 Aug 1835-Anne
05 Nov 1837-Sarah
24 May 1840-Henry (Brusher)
+ any after 1841.

I cannot find a son William for this Thomas before 1841.

Bet

Alwyn,
I have the Hampshire Baptism Index 1813-1841 and the only James' baptised with a William as father are these:-
1828-James s William & Elizabeth at Amport
1829-James s William & Sarah at Church Oakley
1832-James s William & Mary at Headley

The only James baptised with Thomas as father was in 1821.

I will check the buriels!

Bet

Let

My Grandfather was Harry Mills (b. Hurst Common, Hampshire, 1877, d. Canterbury, Kent, 1967, and who married Sarah Jane Bean at Ash, Kent, in 1902.

His father was James Walter Mills (b. Micheldever, Hampshire 1852, d. Folkestone, Kent, 1921) who Married Mary Judd at Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, in 1876.

His grand-father was James Mills (b. circa 1820-1830 and died somewhere in India possibly, date unknown but believed to be c.1855-1859), and he married Maria Pearce (or Pierce) in Micheldever, Hampshire in 1851 and she was a widow by the 1861 Census.

On James & Maria's Marriage Certificate his father is given as William Mills. Which William is this, as family belief is that his father was Thomas Mills (b. Mottisfont, Hampshire, 1799, m. Ann Stote at Lyndhurst, c.1839 & d.c.1860-65).

Thomas & Ann had a son William but he never married apparently. So please, which William Mills was my Great, Great, Great Grandfather? Henry/Harry 'Brusher' Mills was my Grandfather's Great Uncle, and is accepted as such with our section of the voluminous Mills Family. I am trying to clear up a few points, tie up a few loose ends AND 'un-dot' a few T's and 'un-cross' a few i's!

Please can anyone help or advise as to the best course of action for me to take. I have ordered copies both Birth and Marriage Certificates for James Walter Mills, and the former for Henry Mills (1840-1905) and I have copy crtificates already for Harry & Sarah Mills (m.1902).etc.
Thanking you in anticipation,

Alwyn Frederick Mills, Folkestone, Kent.

Younger son of George Frederick Mills (1907-1996), who was the middle son of Harry & Sarah Mills (1877/78-1967).