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Hi
Can someone please help me, I am looking were my g-g-grandad was born Stewart Murray , I know he was born in Scotland, would like to know were and also when and who he married , thay had a son (dont know of any siblings) Thomas Murray whom was thought to have been born in Scotland but now believe to have been born in Liverpool, I think Stewart came to Liverpool, I have found Thomas's to be wife Sarah Hyslop...in an 1871 census with her siblings and her mother living with her mothers sister.Stewart Murray is on thier wedding cert, they married in Liverpool, So how do I find out about Stewart , I have searched the scottish census and the england census with no luck, he was a mariner, so that doesnt help.
Regards
Colin

When was Thomas born?

For info:
Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)

HYSLOP Sarah Liverpool 8b 27
Murray Thomas Liverpool 8b 27

I am sure Thomas was born in Liverpool, its his Father I am trying to find out about,

Colin

So this is Sarah in 1871 - living with her aunt and uncle James and Janet Murray. What proof do you have that her mother was Janet's sister? The relationship given in the census should be to the head, which would make Marian James's siter:
1871 England Census
about Sarah Hyslop
Name: Sarah Hyslop
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
James Balin 28
Matthew Brice 16
Andrew Eggar 15
James Gullin 17
James Hyslop 14
Jannet Hyslop 19
Marian Hyslop 46 - sister (to head)
Sarah Hyslop 17
James Murray 50
Janet Murray 61
James Remmer 7
John Walie 18

In 1891 he is given as born Scotland:
1891 England Census
about Thomas Murray
Name: Thomas Murray
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Hyslop 67
Thomas Hyslop 41
James Murray 1
John Murray 11
Sarah Murray 37
Thomas Murray 42
Thomas Murray 9

I believe that Mary Ann is Marian as the kids match with the family she has, so it looks as it was a spelling mistake the person doing the census misheard what was said, plausible...
Colin

Mary Ann Hyslop was left in widowed in scotland and became a pauper so moved to Liverpool , she is later seen living with her daughter Sarah after her marriage to Thomas , her son Thomas is also with them....
Colin

Hi Brenda
This looks great , I believed he married an Isabella Anderson , were did you find this , if you dont mind me asking
Regards
Colin

Hi Brenda . Thanks for that , just what I was looking for , thanks to Potty too, I am chuffed...lol
Kind Regards
Colin

Colin,

If you view the marriage record that Brenda found, it might have their parents' names.

Hi
Long Shot, did Stewart and Isabella have more than one child other than Thomas and was Thomas born in Liverpool ,like I believe.

Colin

Great , so Thomas was born in Liverpool , did he have any Siblings
Colin

This could be his birth registration:
Births Mar 1847 (>99%)

Murray Thomas Liverpool 20 375

Thanks for your help ,

Kindest Regards

Colin

Colin

I help out at a family history society every friday and we have the old parish records for the whole of scotland .
I can look that marriage up for you which would save you money .

If you want me to can you send me a pm nearer friday as my memory is lousy !!!

Kathy

I can't find the family in either England or Scotland in 1851

Thanks for that Kathy, will write it down so I dont forget....lol

Colin

Colin

Not sure if you know but there is an area in Liverpool called Scotland

Parish – Liverpool
Municipal Borough of Liverpool
Municipal Ward of Scotland
Parliamentary Borough of Liverpool
Ecclesiastical District of St Aidens

I have ancestors who put Scotland as place of birth on census but they didn't mean 'north of the boarder' Scotland. But the area of Liverpool called Scotland. Which is a real red herring - I spent ages looking in the wrong country?!?!
Thanks
MB