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edwin didn't die, i don't have any info with me at the moment, but i don't think caroline died either, but i'll have a look when i get home, the name duke seems to have been mary's fathers name, sorry i'm a bit slow replying i'm at work at the moment. yes you are right about the epidemic, so it's quite likely that mary also died.

So that could have been Edwin and Caroline that died in 1892. I saw the John Duke death. I wonder where Duke came from as names like that are usually maiden namess of some relly.

hi mel, yes you have all that info correct, i have just about everything on all the rest of the family children were mary ann, lucy(also died later) john duke i have his birth and death cert., edwin and ernest (my husbands grandfather) also other children of the first marriage, caroline was from the 1st family. i think the reason for edwin being classed as g.son is that emma/eliza may have considered that she was the head of her part or the house. yes i think ancestry is probably the best.

I think Ancestry is the best.

I found your Emma Hunt with the family of a Thomas and Annie. Emma down as Widow Boarder 84 yrs. Under her name is Edwin G son but surely this should be the relation to the head of the house who is Thomas. Seems very strange dos'nt it? As I said before If Mary had died before her husband and he could'nt look after the children this would explain why they were cast all over the place. The daughter Mary was the one adopted, was'nt she by Hopson. Did you find anything else about John, as I can't find him. Only a death in 1892 and when I looked at the other names there was a Caroline Lange too. Was hoping this was going to be the elusive Mary Ann!!

it was a while ago now when i checked that, but there was a lady lodging with them called either emma or eliza hunt (she seemed to use both names) and this i believe is edwins grandmother. unfortunately i can't check again at the moment as my subscription with ancestry has just ran out and i'm not sure if there may be a better site to join perhaps you may have some views on this too.

hi mel, if it's no trouble i would be so gratefull, i've really exhausted all my options, except the other marriages, i just have a feeling that if she married it would not have been that quick, but if they were all homeless who knows, i think there may have been some bad feeling in the family as mary appears to have been freds (william frederick) 1st wifes niece, but of course i'm only assuming that things between his 1st family and mary weren't good. mary is my late husbands great grandmother but no-one seems to know anything about her. if its not wasting to much of your time or if you just come across something in the future perhaps you could let me know, many thanks virginia

When you say one of the son's was living with a family, was that the Hopson family?

Morning Virginia

Will keep looking if you want.

thanks everyone for trying,i think i'll have to check all marriages spelt either laing or lang, could be a long job, but i've already spent a couple of years, so what's another few months, have already bought all certs. for marriages spelt lange that might have been her, if anyone has any more thoughts i would be very gratefull, thanks again to all who have searched for me.

i'm sorry to cause everyone so much confusion, it's all a bit of a tangle, but i'm very gratefull for all your help, sorry mel, for not giving that info and making you spent time looking for it.

yes, ernest was his brother and his first wife harriet died, but his second wife mary ann is not her.
one of her sons, edwin, is living with a family and it looks like he is a step son, but i'm quite sure the "s" is a "g" and that he is a grandson to emma hunt as she is on most of the birth cert. as "present at birth" but just to confuse matters i believe she has also re-married, but i haven't been able to prove this either.

He may be a brother to her first husband.

Oh Just seen that some of the children are step children and there second name is Newman.

Ahh! There is an Earnest Lange born 1852 Limehouse on the 1891 census with wife Harriet. On the 1901 census his wife is Mary Ann. The year of birth is a bit out but I wonder???? 1891 Ernest is a Boiler Riviter and 1901 he is a riviter.

If you say her children were adopted perhaps she did die before Fred. I can't find a death either! Or maybe if she was a servant and the wrong particulars were written down for her. She may have had to give the children to others to look after.

yes mel, that info is correct you have the right one.,
and ann i have checked under lang for the marriage but as you say there are quite a lot, but i can narrow it down a bit because her husband didn't die until 1895, and i'm sure she would have probably stayed aroud the stepney area as her children were still there.

here marriage in 1883

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about William Frederick Lange
Name: William Frederick Lange
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 1032

William Frederick Lange 1883 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

Mary Ann Simmonds 1883 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

When you look on the 1881 census William F Lange is the widowed Beer house keeper and Mary Ann Simmonds is the barmaid.

or could she have married again and the name has been written as Lang. There are several marriages in the London are between 1892 & 1901. it would be time consuming but you could try to find her under the possible spouse name in 1901.

do you mean under her maiden name? i have looked at that possability but it's quite a common name with several variations (simmonds) and i didn't come up with anything positive, i get the impression that she probably died, poss before her husband, but i just can't find any proof.

Could she have married again under her maiden name ? or just moved in with someone and taken their name ?

i have been trying to find this lady for a long time now, i know all about her until her last child was born in 1892, (her husband died in1895), she doesn't seem to be on the1901 census, (there is a mary lange, servant, born kensington, but as the details don't match, i'm assuming this is not her. she was born in1865 in limehouse, london, on the 1901 census her children have all been split up i.e. living with or adopted by other people, she was her husbands 2nd wife and the eldest child of his first marriage is now running the pub that they lived in, maybe after her husbands death they had to find other accomodation, i cannot find a death entry for her or a marriage, i'm wondering if she maybe ended up in the workhouse but have found nothing, just thought someone may be able to find info that i can't.