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Help needed please 1871 and 1861?

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Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 13:08




1881 for reference

George Sutton
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Arabella H.
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipston On Stour, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 75 Sudell St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Naturlist

Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arabella H. Sutton 46
George Sutton 48
Louis R. Sutton 20

Please can anyone help me find George earlier -I think this George in 1881 may be the son of William and Sarah Sutton.
(If so he had brothers called Charles,William Edmund and sisters Louisa and Caroline-all born Worcestershire).

I cannot understand why he is in Manchester though -as a Naturalist!!! This seems a strange one -especially in a big city-Wouldn't he need a lot of money to do something like that? If anyone can help I'd be grateful-I wondered if Arabella was wealthy-But I haven't managed to find their marriage yet-Hoping someone can help me work him back and make sense of It all.

Thanks for anyone willng to help.

Pat from Wesham

Pat from Wesham Report 25 Nov 2008 13:18

1871 England Census 1871 England Census
Name: George Sutton
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Arabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipton On Slowe, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Traveller (Commercial)

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arabella Sutton 36
Arabella Sutton 6 weeks
George Sutton 38
Lewis Sutton 10



MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 13:19

1871 census
119 Tachbrook St., St. George, Westminster
George Sutton, head, 38, traveller, commercial, born Worcs, Shipton on Stowe
Arabella, wife, 36, born Middlesex, Marylebone
Lewis, son, 10, born Warks, Ashton
Arabella, dau, 6 weeks. born Pimlico

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 25 Nov 2008 13:28

1841 Census record for George Sutton «Back to results
Name GEORGE SUTTON
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Address Hamlet Of Darlingscott
District Bromsgrove, Droitwich, Evesham, Kidderminster, Martley, Pershorem Shipston on Stour, Upton on Severn
Parish
Administrative County Worcestershire
Birth Place
Birth County
IN HOUSE
WILLIAM HEAD 42
SARAH 37
CAROLINE 12
CHARLES 10
GEORGE 8
EDMUND 5
JANE 3
WILLIAM 1 MONTH

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 13:29

Thanks very much-Looks like Louis could be Lewis then? Is that defintely the only one for 1861? Ifso I need to look for two marriages! Thanks How do you go from a Cow keeper to a Naturalist! -weird

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 13:31

Where did 1861 go-I think that could have been relevant! Maybe Betsy was a 1st wife and Lewis was hers and Arabella was a second wife. Georeg came from the right pace didn't he?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 13:34

His wife is Isabella in 1891. Wonder if it's just a mistake?

1891 census
Boggart Hole, St, Andrews, Manchester
George Sutton, head, 58, day gardener, born Worcs, Shipston on Stowe
Isabella, wife, 56, monthly nurse (sick), born London

Pat from Wesham

Pat from Wesham Report 25 Nov 2008 13:35

1861 England Census
Name: George Sutton
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipston On Stour, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: COW KEEPER

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Household Members: Name Age
Betsy Clements 23
Thomas Clements 33
Eliza Morris 27
George Sutton 28
George H Sutton 5
Lewis R Sutton 2 Mo
Louisa Sutton 23
Richard M Sutton 2

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Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 13:36

Looks lke a 2ndmarriage! Can anyone see that 1861 again please? I think t IS relevant


View Record
Arabella Hannah Hallett 1870 St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex

View Record
George Sutton 1870 St George Hanover Square London

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 13:39

Does the Image say Isabella?

!861 is interesting. Is Louisa his wife? Strange anbout sablla-what ia a monthly nurse? -does t mean she is sick or looks after the sick? Sory to be dim. Tahnks for ewverybody thats helping!

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 25 Nov 2008 13:40

1861 Census record for George Sutton «Back to results
Name GEORGE SUTTON
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household LODGER
Occupation COW KEEPER
Address 169 Ashted Row
District Aston, Duddeston
Parish
Administrative County Warwickshire
Birth Place Shipston on Stour
Birth County WORCESTERSHIRE
IN HOUSE
BETSY SUTTON WIFE 23
GEORGE LODGER 28
LOUISA WIFE 23
GEORGE H SON 5
RICHARD N SON 2
LEWIS R SON 2 MONTHS
ELIZA MORRIS NEICE 27
SORRY

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 13:44

1861 census
169 Ashted Row, Aston, Birmingham
Thomas Clements, head, 33, cordwainer
Betsy ", wife, 23
George Sutton, lodger, 28, cow keeper, born Shipston on Stowe
Louisa ", wife, 23
George H. ", son, 5
Richard M. ", son, 2
Lewis R.", son, 2 months
Eliza Morris, niece, 27, servant

George's wife & children born Birmingham.

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 13:49

Thanks very much-Looks Like I need to keep digging away-Thanks everyone for their help.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 13:51

Possible marriage? But it would be well after son George H. was born.

George Sutton & Louisa Mansfield, 1858, Birmingham.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 13:54

Also:
George Sutton married Arabella Hannah Hallett, 1870, St. Geo. H. Sq.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 13:56

Yes, image is definitely Isabella in 1891.

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 14:00

Thanks=-I saw this one and wondred as wel-She would have been very young when first child born as well-so maybe they waited? I suppose quite a lot of them did. I shall have to keep searching for mariages and maybe order a couple of certs with the checking ref's to be sure Many Thanks again

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 25 Nov 2008 14:08



I Think this is Louisa's death-If so he didn't waste much time geting with Arabella-Don't know where George and Richard the children are though!

Louisa Sutton abt B1838 D1869 Aston (1837-1924) Warwickshire

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 14:18

I think Arabella and Isabella are one and the same, census taker just heard it wrong.
I think one of the criteria for a census taker was that they be half deaf, half blind and not very intelligent. And, of course, they were all men. Now if they'd had women doing the job we wouldn't be having all these problems. Right, ladies?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 25 Nov 2008 14:23

1871 census has a George Sutton age 15, born Birmingham. He's an apprentice taxidermist in Doncaster, Yorkshire.