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Hello...

Since we last spoke I have done some research on 'Phoebe'. Her name was Phoebe Sophia Rogers born in Ladderedge, Leek, 1843.

She had 5 children of the names: Hezekiah, Esther, Daniel, Ruth and Rachael. These are the children of a Joseph Turner however, I'm not sure yet if this is my relative Joseph Turner.

They all lived at 5 Sparrow Street, Smallthorne

I have found them on family search as being married. How do I find out now if this is the first marriage for Joseph and in fact Elizabeth was his partner?

Where do I go from now? I'm confused!

Nicola

1891 England Census
about Pheobe Turner
Name: Pheobe Turner
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Leek, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton in The Moors
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Smallthorne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Leek
Sub registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Turner 51
Pheobe Turner 49
Daniel Turner 17
Rachel Turner 11
Joseph Turner 8
Benjamin Turner 8
Minnie Turner 6
May Turner 3




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2183; Folio 46; Page 13; GSU roll: 6097293.

The George Turner who married Elizabeth Hargreaves was born 5th July 1898 Stoke T.
His father was Joseph Henry Turner and his mother was Eliza Slack.

As you will see from the census entry for George (possibly Samuel) his mother was a widow named Phoebe....I will see if I can find them earlier.

Found this for George Turner 1898 Stoke on Trent

1901 England Census

Name: George Turner
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Phoebe
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke upon Trent St Peter
Town: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub registration district: Stoke upon Trent
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
Phoebe Turner 36 Widow
Minnie Turner 17 Daughter
George Turner 3 Son
Mary Jones 22
William R Jones 1




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2608; Folio: 13; Page: 18.

If family can't help then the only place that might be able to is the Records Office for Stoke on Trent.

Staffordshire Record Office

Eastgate Street
Stafford
ST16 2LZ

(01785) 278373

If great grandmother's name was Elizabeth it is possible that George Samuel and Elizaberth didn't marry

Turner births with Smith as Mother in Stoke T.

First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Turner Albert Smith Stoke T 6b 173
Turner Arthur R Smith Stoke T 6b 193


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Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
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Turner John C Smith Stoke T. 6b 155

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Births Dec 1930 (>99%)
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Turner Raymond Smith Stoke T. 6b 154

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Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Turner Albert Smith Stoke T 6b 173



I think this is probably Grandad Albert's birth registration.

If he was born on the last day of March his birth would be registered in the June Quarter.

You would need to purchase this Birth Registration in order to check that it is the right person. It will name both parents.

If you order it....do not put mother's name on the order form.

Three marriages for George S Turner in Staffordshire:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Turner George S Hindley Wolverhampton 6b 1631

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Marriages Sep 1921 (93%)
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Turner George S Chare King's N. 6d 266

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Marriages Sep 1927 (>99%)
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Turner George S Smith Burton 6b 915

This is a possible birth registration for George Samuel Turner

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Turner George Samuel Stoke T. 6b 175

I have got my grandfathers original marriage cert. It states that his father was George Samuel Turner.

My grandad was born on 31/3/1924. Still not certain as to where though.

Nicola

Is it possible you have the wrong family ?

Have you purchased Albert's marriage certificate ? This would give father's name and Albert's age.

Yes I did use Freebmd.

There is a family tree on Ancestry for this family it features

Living Turner
Laura born 28 December 1925 died 1 May 2007
George W Turner (think he died 30 december 1967)

Will see what I can find about Albert and check the tree on Ancestry andcome back to you.

I've been right through the 1st and 2nd quarters of 1924 looking for Albert Turner with Hargreaves as mother and can't find him :(

Thats fantastic.

Thanks for your help.

Did you find those on freebmd?

Nicola

Two possible children:

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Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
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Turner Joseph H Hargreaves Stoke T. 6b 208

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Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
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Turner George W Hargreaves Stoke T. 6b 230


These are from transcribed birth registrations. If there were any more it will mean searching the Complete Birth Registrations quarter by quarter and year year year...no quick way.

Yes thats the marriage I have for them too!

I need to find out now what my grandfather's siblings were called.

Nicola

could this be their marriage?

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Barnes Emmie Harding Stoke T 6b 565
Harding Samuel Barnes Stoke T 6b 565
>>>Hargreaves Eliza Turner Stoke T. 6b 565
>>>Turner George Hargreaves Stoke T. 6b 565

My granfathers name was Albert Turner. He was born in March, 1924. He was born in Kidsgrove I think. Definately in Stoke-on-Trent.

His Father is called George Turner. He was born in 1898.

The only information I have so far about his mother was that she was called Elizabeth. I'm estimating she was born around the same time which is why I'm almost certain the woman I have as his mother at the moment is correct.

Nicola