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Jim, do you know when Anne CHADD nee WHITTY died?

She is a tricky one. Her marriage states she was born in Woodstock but the birth there is a Johanna Ann WHITTY in 1855. Parents Mark & Catherine nee MAYLOR/MEYLOR of Wexford, Ireland.

Not sure if this is the right WHITTY family? There is more about them here: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~whittyclanaustralia/jameswhitty/d1.htm

Similarly do you know when Wm RIDER died? His marriage shows he was born at Tarrengower, but no matches. Did he have a 2nd given name?

Here is Anne Sarah CHADD nee MITCHELL's death:

Surname: CHADD
Given Names: Anne Sarah
Event: D
Father: Mitchell Hy Wm Douglas
Mother: Emma ROYER
Age: 60
Death Place: C Hill
Year: 1918
Reg. Number: 12344

She was buried at Coburg Cemetery on 2 Nov 1918, Church of England section with Benjamin (buried 15 Aug 1938 aged 85). See http://www.fcmp.com.au/ (note there are several MANZIEs buried there too!)

She was born at sea in 1855 (reg 6977). She had a brother named Jno Hy born 1856 in Richmond. Another brother was named Chas Royer born c1848 Dulwick {Dulwich?], married Isabella ROBERTSON 1875; he died 1907 aged 59. Her father died 1878 aged 70, b. Edinburgh, parents not shown. Her mother died in 1900 aged 88 in Collingwood, dau of Chas & Nancy.

The Manzie family are an interesting lot!

They came from Ceylon (now known as Sri Lanka). Jno Alex was born there, in Kandy.

Here is Jno and his siblings:

1. James c1847 Ceylon – 1943 St Kilda East, m. Jane PONTIN 1867
2. Ann Isabella c1849 Ceylon – 1920 Richmond, m. Hamilton WEBSTER 1878
3. Jno Alex c1853 Ceylon – 1904 Heidelberg
4. Charles Samuel c1856 Ceylon – 1920 Ffield, m. Mary BEHN 1877
5. Mary Helen Ceylon c1859 – 1917 A Vale, m. Joseph Nicholas Way HINWOOD 1883
6. Phoebe Jane c1862 Ceylon – 1863 Vic
7. Andrew Albert Arthur 1864 Melb - 1943 Burnley, m. Monica May BELLEW 1883
8. Hy Francis 1869 Richmond - ?

The family must have arrived in Vic in 1863 but I can't find it.

The parents were David Wm MANZIE & Mary ATWELL. David died in 1906 aged 83 in Brunswick, father David and mother not stated. Mary died in Richmond in 1902 aged 74, dau of James & Mary ATWELL.

If you want me to dig deeper just send me a PM.

Hi Jim & Julie

Looks like we have been working on this at the same time! ;-)

Elizabeth McMURRAY married John BURKE/BOURKE in 1842 at St Francis (Roman Catholic) Melbourne (reg 35502).

They had the following children:
Sarah 1843 Merri Creek
Mary 1845 Melbourne
John 1847 Pt Melb
Eliza 1852 Melb

John died in 1855 aged 33, parents names not shown.

Elizabeth remarried in 1857 to Thomas Alexander BENNETT (reg 2218). He died in 1880 aged 51; he was born in Jamaica! They had the following children:

Juliana c1858-1873 aged 17 Queenstown
Thos 1862 Brighton-1941
Sophia 1865 Melb, m. Jos COLVIN 1895?

This is her death with error for mother's given name:

Surname: BENNETT
Given Names: Elizth
Event: D
Father: Mcmurray Wm
Mother: Elizabeth ROBINSON
Age: 48
Death Place: E HILL
Year: 1881
Reg Number: 7295

I had Mary marrying Humphrey SPICER as well. Can't figure out where he came from! He died in Queenstown in 1895 aged 76, son of John & Martha nee BURGESS (reg 10844).

Same chn as Julie found with one aditional: Alex Humphrey c1855-1937, m. Martha McMILLAN 1880. Samuel appeared to go by the name Samson; he died in 1949 and married Margt KINRADE 1879. Clara married Jas GATES in 1874. Daughter Margaret had a son named Hy in Eltham in 1860, who died aged 11 weeks, father not named - she would have been quite young. Possible marriage for her to Joseph RONZAS in 1864. No further trace of Margaret or Clara.

Mary's death:

Surname: SPICER
Given Names: Mary
Event: D
Father: Mcmurray Wm
Mother: Sarah ROBERTSON
Age: 79
Death Place: Hoth W
Year: 1905
Reg. Number: 12976

Possible marriages for Sarah Ann's sisters...BUT you would have to buy the marriage certificates to get further info. to know whether you have the correct people...

There were 3 marriages for Mary McMurray..
1 was born Ireland, 1 was born in Streatham. & this 1 had no birth place but she was married in the same church as Sarah

Mary McMurray m. 1843 at St James, Ch of Eng., Melbourne (Reg.No. .. 4696)
to Humphrey SPICER (possibly died 1895, 76yrs

For Eliza McMurray..
There were 2 Eliza Jane's, 1 born Ireland; 1 b. Clunes
and an Elizabeth (no birth place) who married in 1842 at St Francis, R.C. (reg. No. .. 35502)
to John Burke.

If your Mary married Humphrey Spicer, their children were....

William b. 1843, Merrick
Margaret b. 1845, River Lodden
George Humphrey b. 1846, Melb.
Mary Ann b. 1847, Point Nepean
Sarah Ann b. 1849, Point Nepean
Mary b. 1851, Flemmington
John Humphrey b~ 1853 d. 1854 1yr, Bendigo
John Henry b~1856 d. 1858 2yrs, Eltham
Clara b. 1858 Eltham
Samuel b. 1860, Eltham
Martha b~1864, d. 1869, 5yrs, Vict.

Children of Elizabeth & John Burke...
Mary b. 1845, Melb
John b. 1847, P
Eliza b. 1852, Melb

BUT... like I said, you would have to buy the marriage certificates to get further info. to know whether you have the correct people.

First World War Embarkation Roll

John Alexander Manzie
Number .. 1134
Rank .. Private
Unit .. 22 Infantry Battalion (May 1915)
Ship Name .. HMAT Ulysses
Ship number .. A38
Date of embarkation .. 10 May 1915
Place of embarkation .. Melbourne
ALSO...
Age .. 30
Trade or Calling .. Metal Polisher
M or S .. Single
Address on enlistment .. 69 Station St., Carlton
Next of Kin .. Mrs M. Manzie, mother, 49 Leicester St., Fitzroy
Religion .. Pres.
Date of Joining .. 10 - 2 - 15

J Manzie
Number .. 1585
Rank .. Private
Unit .. 22 Infantry Battalion - 1 to 8 Reinforcements (June 1915 - January 1916)
Ship Name .. HMAT Berrima
Ship number .. A35
Date of embarkation .. 28 June 1915
Place of embarkation .. Melbourne
ALSO...
Age .. 29
Trade or Calling .. Polisher
M or S .. Single
Address on enlistment .. Same as nofK
Next of Kin .. Mary Manzie, 49 Leicester St., Fitzroy
Religion .. Pres.
Date of Joining .. 9 - 4 - 15

Frank Manzie
Number .. 5728
Rank .. Private
Unit .. 5 Infantry Battalion - 13 to 23 Reinforcements (December 1915 - November 1916)
Ship Name .. HMAT Euripides
Ship number .. A14
Date of embarkation .. 4 April 1916
Place of embarkation .. Melbourne
ALSO...
Age .. 20
Trade or Calling .. Striker
M or S .. Single
Address on enlistment .. 49 Leicester St., Fitzroy
Next of Kin .. Mother, Mrs M. Manzie, 49 Leicester St., Fitzroy
Religion .. C of E.
Date of Joining .. 7 - 3 - 16

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Margaret Rider
Name: Elizabeth Margaret Rider
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1909 <<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Delbridge
ADDRESS .. 31 Rowe St., North Fitzroy
with Mary, Machinist
William, Bootmaker
William Howard, Clerk

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Margaret Rider
Name: Elizabeth Margaret Rider
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1914 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Delbridge
ADDRESS .. 244 Scotchmer St., North Fitzroy
with Arthur Allan, Boot Operator
William, Bootmaker

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Arthur Allan Rider
Name: Arthur Allan Rider
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1924 <<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Fitzroy North
OCCUPATION .. Bootmaker
ADDRESS .. 17 Taylor St., Fitzroy Nth.
with Emma Alice, Machinist
& Mary, Forewoman

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Arthur Allan Rider
Name: Arthur Allan Rider
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1931 <<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Bourke
Subdistrict: Coburg
OCCUPATION .. Bootmaker
ADDRESS .. 111 Bell St.
with Winifred Rose, Florist

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Arthur Allan Rider
Name: Arthur Allan Rider
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936 <<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Bourke
Subdistrict: Coburg
OCCUPATION .. Florist
ADDRESS .. 136 Bell St.
with Winifred Rose, Florist

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about John Manzie
Name: John Manzie
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1903 <<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Northern Melbourne
Subdistrict: Carlton
OCCUPATION .. Bootmaker
ADDRESS .. 135 canning St., carlton
with Mary, Home Duties (h/d)
& Benjamin, Bootmaker

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Benjamin Manzie
Name: Benjamin Manzie
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1914 <<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Carlton
OCCUPATION .. Actor
ADDRESS .. 169 Station St., carlton
with Ellen blanch, Boot Fitter
& Mary, h/d

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about John Manzie
Name: John Manzie
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1919 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Fitzroy Central
OCCUPATION .. Labourer
ADDRESS .. 49 Leicester St., Fitzroy
with Mary h/d
& Jack, Fellmonger

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about John Alexander Manzie
Name: John Alexander Manzie
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1931 <<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Melbourne
Subdistrict: Carlton South
OCCUPATION .. Labourer
ADDRESS .. 36 Lincoln Sq.

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about John Alexander Manzie
Name: John Alexander Manzie
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Clifton Hill
OCCUPATION .. Polisher
ADDRESS .. 379 Welli(n)gton St.

Yes pls - looking for:
1. marriage/children of Sarah McMurray's 2 sisters
2. children of other Whittys
3. children of other Newtons
4. children of other Mitchell's
5. children of other Manzies
6. children of other Riders

We know there are other Whittys & Riders in Vic. but know nothing of the other families.

On another subject, I stumbled across yours and others comments about not replying to "threads". I agree about no help pages from GR - I am very new to GR and am just stumbling around and learning as I go. Again, I just stumbled across these new threads tonight!

Jim

Thanks folks.
Where would us novices be without you 'addies'?
Jim

Jim - you have two threads on the go with information on both!!!

They actually married in St James' Church of England in Melbourne.


Surname: CHADD
Given Names: Benjamin
Event: M
Spouse Surname: MCMURRAY
Spouse Gvn Names: Sarah Ann
Year: 1846
Reg Number: 5022
Denomination: Church of England
Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE
Fiche: 948

If you don't have this certificate it would be worth it. You should also be able to do this thru a NSW transcription agent (ref no V1846690 31C/1846 ).

Chn born in Vic:
Thomas 1848, m. Anne WHITTY 1877
Sarah Jane 1852-1888, m. John NEWTON 1871
Benjamin c1854-1938, m. Anne Sarah MITCHELL 1890
Mary c1857-1931, m. Jno Alexander MANZIE 1876
Elizabeth Margaret c1859-1912, m. Wm RIDER 1878
Martha 1862-1862
Wm Mack 1863-1901 [did not marry]

Sarah Ann CHADD nee McMURRAY died in 1882 in Carlton Vic aged 53, dau of Wm McMURRAY & Sarah Ann ROBINSON (reg 11133). Sarah arrived in Victoria aboard THOMAS ARBUTHNOT in Oct 1841 aged 13, with parents Wm (37), Sarah (35) and siblings Mary (17) and Eliza (15). Her mother Sarah Ann nee ROBINSON died in 1884 in Hotham West aged 87, dau of John ROBINSON & Martha MORROW (reg 1542). Possible death for Wm aged 80 in 1880, son of Wm & Elizabeth (reg 10317).

Benjamin died in 1908 aged 89 in Collingwood (5534).

Hope this adds some new info. If you need chn of above (or their birth/deathplaces) let me know!

Husband
BENJAMIN CHADD Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 04 MAR 1846 Church Of England, , New South Wales, Australia
Death:
Burial:





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Wife
SARAH ANN MCMURRAY Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 04 MAR 1846 Church Of England, , New South Wales, Australia
Death:
Burial:





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Thomas Chad Compact Disc #132 Pin #4129336 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: 1843

Allyn River Hunter Valley Nsw Aust.

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Parents
Father: Thomas Chad Disc #132 Pin #4128855
Mother: Amelia Munsie Disc #132 Pin #4128850

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Notes and Sources
Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 132
Sources: None

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Submitter
EDWARD L SINGLE
BOX 610 NAMBUCCA HEADS NSW Somewhere In Aussie.


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Anne Whitty Compact Disc #91 Pin #452121 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: 1847

Kalkallo Bourke Victoria Australia

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Parents
Father: Patrick Whitty Disc #91 Pin #451899
Mother: Mary Whitty Disc #91 Pin #451900

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Notes and Sources
Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 91
Sources: None

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Submitter
nadine WOOD
72 yarra glen road, healesville, Victoria, 3777, Australia


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Submission Search: 2465886-0730104081046
URL: http://www.gencircles.com/users/nadineleigh/5

the only link to Bath I can find is

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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Elizabeth Chadd Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth: About 1819 Walcot, Bath, Somerset, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Benjamin Chadd Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: Henry Cruse Family
Marriage: 15 JUL 1840

marriage
Name: Elizabeth Chadd
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bath
County: Avon, Somerset
Volume: 11
Page: 29 (click

Ticket of Leave
http://www.sag.org.au/

you can buy the certificate for $11 which will give you mre info about him.

as he was convicted prior to 1841 (the first census available online) use www.familysearch.org to find ancestors

NSW convicts
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#Convicts

Name: Benjamin Chadd
Vessel: Hive
Convicted Date: 6 Aug 1833
Voyage Date: 15 Jan 1834
Colony: New South Wales
Piece: HO 11/9
Place of Conviction: Somerset
County of Conviction: Somerset