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My gt grandfather was on the census as John Darby with my grandmother Florence so all confirmed. I tried tracing him back and before 1871 he disappeared. I looked for his marriage and found he married as Darbey/Burden.
Then found him under Burden with the correct father William and correct occupation on the 1861,1851,1841 census.

Looking further into it I find his grandparents Darby and Burden never married. His grandfather John left a will leaving propery and money to son and grandchildren and William Burden his son was present at his death.

John Burden my gt grandfather registered all his children as Darby including my grandmother. Then to fool me I couldnt find my grandmothers first marriage under Darby. Found she married as Florence D Burden father John Darby Burden.
At least this was my proof for all my findings.
Perhaps your man used a stepfathers name or used the name he was known as

Could he have added Apple and changed other details!!!!!!

Name: Richard Morgan John
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Haverfordwest
County: Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
11a 950

Misty x

ok NOT TRUE but.....
they didn't call him applejohn
they called him jones and he was
eating an apple then changed his name ;-))))

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
Jones Richard Morgan Merthyr T. 11a 576

If you use SARCH at th top of the page (beneath GR logo top left hand side) there are three matches for Richard Applejohn

These are birth registrations for Richard Morgan.........born Wales 1884

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page


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Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Jones Richard Morgan Merthyr T. 11a 576

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Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Morris Richard Morgan Swansea 11a 738

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Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Gwilym Richard Morgan Swansea 11a 717

The Richard Applejohn born 1927 is the ONLY Applejohn birth registration !!!!!

baffling isn't it!!!!!!!!!

got that hun just cant find birth certificate to order and the passenger list gives his age as 41 in 1928 when he went to canada

I wonder if Richard Morgan Applejohn was not his real name. If he was born in 1884 he could have married about 1905 and he appears not to have married until about 1925/6....so was he married already ?

There is a family tree on Ancestry which gives dates of birth for Richard as
1st July 1884 Wales.
He died November 1949 in Ontario, Canada
Lucy Ivy Kate Cooke
born 5 September 1899 Cheltenham
Died July 1975 in Ontario, Canada

Now you know you're absolutely hooked, when waiting for a cert is slow torture.
I'm up early waiting to snatch them from the posties hand !

nudge for suggestions

not come across this problem yet

well have now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

have ordered suppose i have to wait now thats the worsed part

I've found a birth of a Richard H Applejohn in Liverpool 1927, mothers surname was cooke.

Births Dec 1927

Applejohn Richard H : Cooke Liverpool 8b 377

might be worth ordering this just to see

any suggestions anyone?

richard morgan applejohn i have copies of when he left england in 1928 aged 41 however cant find any records of his birth cardiff wales or his marriage to lucy cooke born gloucester c1899, it really is mysterious

and who,s records can you not find??????????

Who ???

How can some exist but no records can be found for birth or marriage they were born in wales and i have found records for their emigration to canada - mysterious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!