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Thats a good assumption Eileen, I'm working on the theory that Albert is the son of Elizabeth at the moment. She is the eldest of Mary and James children.
Plenty of avenues to explore now!
Thank you to everyone for your help!

Thanks Gwyn that solves that little one! :-)

The 2 census's are clearly the same family but there is such a differnce in Mary and James ages.
1901: Mary is 38, James 39
1911: Mary is 54, James is 63 ???

Just checked 1891 that puts Mary 29 and James 40 so does look like a clear age gap. Will go back further now!

Perhaps Albert /Peter did not know he was a grandson,the other children aren't that much older,only the census taker would have known the truth,and not the neighbours!!
Eileen

Marriages Dec 1910

Batley Agnes E ..Wisbech 3b 1395
Nichols James E ..Wisbech 3b 1395
Rout Daniel ..Wisbech 3b 1395
Sebar Emma J ..Wisbeach 3b 1395

Thank you Eileen,
I'm trying to figure out the grandson bit now!
The 1911 census shows Daniel Rout and Emma Rout as married aged 19 & 20, Albert being 7 on that census would put him surely too young to be the son of that couple.
And why would he later in life refer to his grandparents as parents... perhaps that is where the adopted bit looks good again? Even so the info you guys have helped me find looks certain to be the family, just a shame the year of birth is out by 4 years.
Gonna start to collate it all and try to decide how I can prove the links... I'd still like to find a birth reference for Albert Peter Route though :-(

II may have duplicated this.
Marriage St Peter's West Lynn
13/2/1881
James Rout to Mary Smith
Groom's father Daniel Brides' father unknown
Witnesses Daniel Rour, Hannah Rout.
Eileen

Marriage West Lynn 13/2/1881 St Peter.
James Rout to Mary Smith. Groom's father Daniel Brides father unknown
Witnesses Daniel Rout,Hannah Rout.
Eileen

Grandson? The plot thickens!
I'm going to download the original 1911 image and see if it might be a transcript error, the birth year that is!

In 1911 Albert is listed as a grandson of James and Mary

ROUT, JAMES HEAD MARRED M 63 LABOUR FOREMAN ON FARM TERRINGTON ST CLEMENT NORFOLK
ROUT, MARY WIFE MARRED 30 F 54 WARPLE ST PETERS NORFOLK
ROUT, DANIEL SON MARRED M 20 LABOUR YARDMAN WEST LYNN NORFOLK
ROUT, BETRICA MARY DAUGTTR SINGLE F 18 DOMESTIC CLENCHWARTON NORFOLK
ROUT, ERNEST ALBERT SON SINGLE M 14 LABOUR HORSEMAN TERRINGTON ST CLEMENT NORFOLK
ROUT, LUCY DAUGHTR SINGLE F 13 SCHOOL TERRINGTON ST CLEMENT NORFOLK
ROUT, FAE SON SINGLE M 11 SCHOOL TERRINGTON ST CLEMENT NORFOLK
ROUT, FRANCES DAUGTTR SINGLE F 8 SCHOOL TERRINGTON ST CLEMENT NORFOLK
ROUT, ALBERT GRANDSON SINGLE M 7 SCHOOL WISBECH
ROUT, EMMA DAUGHTER LAW MARRED F 19 DAIRYMAID WALSAPEN

Hey guys I reckon you might have cracked it for me!
Albert Peter Route has a brother called William! :-)

Gonna go have another look at what you have just posted, I think Terrington is in the right area to be registered in Wisbech.

In 1901 there is a James Rout in Gorefield St Paul Cambs a servant age 17 says born Terrington St Paul (that is the right area). Perhaps he was the father. Have you considered that they may not have been married,but that he took the father's surname later? Eileen

The 1911 and 1901 census detials are the same family In 1911 James Rout is listed as born in Terrington St Clement

Do you know if he had a lot of siblings? This one is father James with a brother Herbert, mother could still be having children 5 - 7 years later.


1901 England Census
about James Rout
Name: James Rout
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Terrington St Clemt, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Terrington St Clement
Ecclesiastical parish: Terrington St Clement
Town: Terrington St Clement
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wisbech
Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members:
Name Age
James Rout 39
Mary Rout 38
Elizabeth Rout 21
Herbert Rout 19
Eleanor Rout 14
Daniel Rout 11
Rebecca Rout 9
William Rout 6
Ernest Rout 5
Lucy Rout 3
Joe Rout 1

These were the people possbily living with Albert above in 1911

HOUSEHOLD ROUT ALBERT M 1904 7 Swaffham Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD ROUT BETRICA MARY F 1893 18 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT DANIEL M 1891 20 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT EMMA F 1892 19 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT ERNEST ALBERT M 1897 14 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT FAE M 1900 11 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT FRANCES F 1903 8 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT JAMES M 1848 63 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT LUCY F 1898 13 Swaffham Norfolk
ROUT MARY F 1857 54 Swaffham Norfolk

Found this on 1911 census using Cambridgeshire as a birth place.

HOUSEHOLD ROUT ALBERT M 1904 7 Swaffham Norfolk

I also saw the birth in 1908 but I think these are the people living with Albert Peter Martin in 1911

MARTIN DOROTHY MAY F 1907 4 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
MARTIN FRANCIES EMMA F 1876 35 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
MARTIN JOHN FINCH M 1874 37 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
MARTIN SIDNEY FINCH M 1910 1 Cambridge Cambridgeshire

on freebmd I put in the names Albert Peter only born 1908 and this is the only one that showed up.

Births Jun 1908
Martin Albert Peter Cambridge 3b 453

Maybe a connection somewhere?

Agree the use of alternative spellings but I can't see him using this.

I wonder whether his mother could have married or remarried after his birth and he took his new fathers name or alternatively whether he was adopted. I suppose another option is to look the graves of his parents at Walpole St Peter

Yes I have tried some different varients and have combed through the GRO records for the time he was born but no luck.

I am hitting a brick wall with the family of my great grandfather ALBERT PETER ROUTE.

I have plenty on him, including his war records that I have just recieved, these give his date of birth as 4 March 1908 at Wisbech, Cambridgeshire. I can not however find an entry in the Birth Index's. The next of kin shown on the war records are that of his mother "Mary" and it looks like the address is Aldershot. On the same line as this is what looks like a reference number 2/191/34. Possibly also serving in the forces?
I have checked the Army GRO records and again there is no trace.

His Marriage Certificate gives some more info:
Albert Peter Route to Alice Amy Warren on 26 Aug 1933 at Foulden, Norfolk. Aged 26 (giving birth about 1907).
Fathers name JAMES ROUTE. One of the witnesses is a HERBERT ROUTE.

My nan (his daughter) told me that he went by his middle name of Peter and this is confirmed on his army records and his death record. He died in London during an air raid when my nan was just an infant.

Death index, Peter A Route in 1940 Q4 Westminster aged 32. (again giving birth 1908)

CWGC gives Peter Albert Route death 16 Nov 1940 but no age or other details.

Newspaper cutting given to me by my nan says he died during an air raid in London aged 37. (Putting his birth at 1903!!!) Also says he was from Walpole Saint Peter, Norfolk, son of the late Mr and Mrs Route who were well known in the Walpole district. Buried in Foulden, the home of his wife and two children.

Can anyone suggest my next move?
I am going to try and order the birth cert using the place and date of birth.

I have found only one James Route (1873 Norfolk) but I cant confirm he is the father.
I can only see one Mary Route on the 1911 census but she is too young to be the mother.

Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Kind regards
Steve