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Mary

Just to let you know, in order for you to post a reply to questions on the thread you need to click on the purple REPLY button near the top of the page rather than clicking on the respondees name.

V.

Hi Christine - I think I will order the marriage certificate for John and Ann it might have some information on it that I don't have. No I have searched for actual birth registration for Thomas but also not found one yet. On the marriage cert. 1865 it states he is 21 years old.

Mary

Hi Mary,

Re your pm, quoted below


With respect to the 1841 census - I don't quite follow this. Working dates back from Thomas' marriage year 1865 (Thomas was 21 then) his father John could have a birth date of 1814 give or take 5yrs either way. Is Ann Jefferay his wife yet to be and are the children Ann's from a previous marriage?


The 1841 doesn't state relationships, but I presume that John is with his wife to be Ann Jeffery. Ages stated on census are not reliable.

The marriage cert for John and Ann should give more help.

Have you found a birth reg for Thomas as I haven't found one as yet.

Christine

Oh dear - I seem to have caused quite a bit of confusion with this posting. I have never posted on this site before plus since I last visited properly (about a year ago) things have changed on it quite a lot. I am struggling quite a bit finding my way around on it and have not figured out yet how I can actually reply to each and every person that puts a response on the thread. This is quite different to some of the other posting lists I am on.

My thanks to you all, Victoria, Christine, Wayne/Tracey and Lynn for all your hardwork and responses. Unfortunately on my first posting I made a big mistake by taking information from some old notes of mine and not going directly to my Thomas' & Ellen's marriage cert. (which I have). Thomas' father was JOHN DRAKELY a labourer by trade. I did not have info on his mother as I am still waiting to receive Thomas' birth certificate. I have Ellen's b/cert. and confirm her father is Harry/Henry J. Castle a book binder by trade and her mother is Ellen Castle (nee Johnson). Thomas Drakeley and Ellen Castle were married 1865 Dec 10 in the Parish of St. George Wolverhampton. Tracey have not tried Pickards Pick Pages, in fact I have not heard of them before. I will try looking it up.

Thanks again everyone - I have some work to do on this line now - My husband has a very keen interest in finding out where Ellen's middle name of McIvor/McIver came from. We thought it might have been her mother's maiden name but obviously not.

Mary in BC Canada

Mary,

Who exactly is the father of Thomas on his marriage cert?

Christine

From Mary
Hi Vickii: Sorry I have caused you any confusion the information I just passed on to you was with respect to Thomas and Ellen Drakely the parents of Elizabeth (Eliza) Drakely my husband's grandmother. The Thomas and Harriett (you now mention) are the parents of Thomas but I have nothing further to go on for them other than the birthdates - Thomas 1805 and Harriett 1813

Your now in my area, Nuneaton.....

Have you tried Pickards Pick Pages?

The marriages records on there for Foleshill are really good.


Tracey x

Looks as if this in John and Ann in 1841 but his age is the same as 1851!!!



1841 England Census
about John Drakeley
Name: John Drakeley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Mancetter
Hundred: Hemlingford (Atherstone Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Atherstone
Sub registration district: Atherstone
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Drakeley 30
Ann Jefferay 40
Sarah Jefferay 15
<<Samuel Jefferay 8 the son of Ann with them in 1851
John Jefferay 8 Mo

Christine

John and Ann's marriage.

A few years after the birth of Thomas.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%)
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<<<DRAKELY John Nuneaton 6d 358
<<<JEFFERY Ann Nuneaton 6d 358

Christine

see this thread re Ellen
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1130395

No wonder we couldn't find him.



1851 England Census
about Thomas Drakely
Name: Thomas Drakely
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockingford, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Nuneaton
Ecclesiastical parish: Stockingford
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Nuneaton
Sub registration district: Nuneaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
John Drakeley 30
Ann Drakeley 49
Samuel Jeffery 18
Thomas Drakely 7


Christine

1851 England Census
about Ellen Castle
Name: Ellen Castle
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Harry
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Beverley St Martin
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Beverley
Sub registration district: South Cave
ED, institution, or vessel: 14f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Castle 38 occ, bookbinder, journeyman
Ellen Castle 32
Ellen Castle 3

The names Harry and Henry were often interchanged.

Christine

message from Mary
"Thomas Drakeley aged 21 occupation: Blacksmith - Father John Drakeley a Labourer. Married Ellen Castle aged 18 occupation Servant - Father Henry Castle Book Binder."


Trouble is Mary in you inital message you said that his father was Thoms and mother Harriet!!!

Ellen's birth reg.


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Births Dec 1847 (>99%)
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CASTLE Ellen Mc Ivor Wolverhampton 17 332

Christine

WILLIAM DRAKELY Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 OCT 1835 Saint Lawrence, Foleshill, Warwick, England

Death: 14 OCT 1849

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: THOMAS DRAKELY Family
Mother: HANNAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C042081 1564 - 1876

maybe death of first wife

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1841 (>99%)
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DRAKELEY Hannah Foleshill 16 301

so here we go

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
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>>>BAWDICOTT Harriott Foleshill &c 16 514
BULL Sarah Foleshill &c 16 514
DEEMING Fanny Foleshill &c 16 514
>>>DRAKLEY Thomas Foleshill &c 16 514
HAYMES George Foleshill &c 16 514
HEATHERLEY Elizabeth Foleshill &c 16 514
PERRY John Foleshill &c 16 514
WHETSTONE John Foleshill &c 16 514

so Thomas senior must have been married before

1841

Name: Thomas Drakely
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Foleshill
Hundred: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Foleshill
Sub registration district: Foleshill
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Drakely 35
Mary Drakely 14
William Drakely 5
John Drakely 4





Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1154; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Foleshill; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 5; Page: 4; Line: 25; GSU roll: 464187.

Harriot not there, so either she was elsewhere or she was second wife.

Do you have the marriage cert for Thomas and Ellen?

If so what are their father's occupations?

Christine

for info

1891
Name: Thomas Drakley
[Thomas Drakeley]
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Erith
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Erith
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Drakley 46
Ellen Drakley 43
John H Drakley 18
Sarah J Drakley 15
Eliza Drakley 12
Samuel Drakley 9
Charlotte Drakley 7
George F Drakley 6


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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 638; Folio 6; Page 7; GSU roll: 6095748