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meriel - hi, thanks for your post, i will have to go up to wales and see about getting a copy of her marriage cert. i am useless on them bmd sites. im not registered with the ancestery site so i cant check that out. thanks again for posting. best wishes to you and to everyone else who has posted to me. i will try and close this thread now. take care everyone byeeee xxxxxxxxxxx

Helen
North wales bmd for 1907
BREEZE Elizabeth H Ruabon Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) RBN/081/93
And this is from Freebmd
Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
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BREEZE Elizabeth Hannah Wrexham 11b 238

There is also a person on Ancestry with the same Elizabeth in their family tree who married a William Jones
Is this any help for you

there are these 2 birth regs but no mothers maiden name its best to get Elizabth hannah birth cert will give both parents names and moths mname



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Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
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Breeze Robert John Wrexham 11b 226

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Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Breeze Annie Wrexham 11b 215

June, I saw that John Steven one as well and now after what Helen has added, I think it's the same person. Anyway, the birth certificate will confirm it

Hi everyone, thank you to all of you for trying to help me. my mum had a word with my dad for me and he has told me that elizabeth hannah was married to william steven breeze. he died in wolrld war one and then elizabeth married tommy hughs who was a footballer. elizabeth had siblings named annie, myra and bob. he dont know dates tho and just said elizabeth was born in rhos. looks like im gonna have to find the marriage cert and send off it lol. anyway thanks again for all your help, and sorry for the drunken message last night, i had the hangover from hell today lol. best wishes to all from helen xx

the reason i asked found this so just bear with me


Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
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BREEZE John Steven Wrexham 11b 443

Hughes Elizabeth Sarah Wrexham 11b 443







Name: John Stephen Breeze
Birth Place: Rhosllanerchgrugog, Denbigh
Residence: Rhos, Denbigh
Death Date: 3 Apr 1915
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Battalion: 4th Battalion.
Number: 6897
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theater of War: Aldershot





Marriages Dec 1917 (21%)
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Breeze Elizabeth S Hughes Wrexham 11b 483

HUGHES John Thomas breeze Wrexham 11b 483


and here is John s in 1901

Name: John S Breeze
Age in 1901: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Rhosllanerchrugog
Ecclesiastical parish: Rhosllanerchrugog St John
Town: Rhos
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub registration district: Ruabon
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members: Name Age
John Breeze 47
Elizabeth Breeze 47
John S Breeze 15
Alice Breeze 12
Joseph T Breeze 7




you need Elizabeth Hannahs birth cert or marriage cert to confirm her fathers name



June x

Helen


don't rule him out as being Elizabeth's father just because he was 57 ...... that's no where near being too old to father a child!


it's not unknow for an 80-year male to be a father!!


One of OH's older colleagues had 3 children after the age of 60.



sylvia

This free bmd website may be of some use to you Helen...

http://northwalesbmd.org.uk/

Linda

Edit...just found a birth on the website for a John Haig Jones b1936 Ruthin...plus others....good luck!

to lewella, clitheroelass, i habe to go to bednow, late and beer has kicled in lol, thanks to you both and i will logon agian tomoorw. i cant thank you both enohth for all your help, im crap at this stud= and got to my mums side by asking for help and searching trees. thankyou both once ahain heln xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

lewella - ok i can give you all the details on my grandmothers kids. elizabeth hannah breeze b1907 rhos her children were my dad, robert barry jones b1939 ruthin, megan mair b1933 ruthin, all were born ruthin, ivy lorrian, [spelling unsure of lorraine] william dennis, fay, [who died really young [megga young] and john haigh, [spellin on haigh not sure] all are dead except my dad who wont say anything and william dennis who has fell out with me so wont say anything, they are a miserable lot lol mind mair was brilliant and ivy full of fun. sorry went off on one then. helen

Go to www.gro.gov.uk You can apply online if you have a credit card. The cost is 7 pounds. When asked whether you have the GRO reference number, put yes and put in the Volume and Page numbers already given to you

Clitheroelass - i have looked on this site to get the details to buy the marriage cert and i cant work the site out. can you tell me who i need to call, or mail, to buy the cert? i sorry but honestly i am totally useless. sorry helen xxxx

Okay, so what do we know about Ivy? Married name? Death??

june lewis - hi yeah, i knew my grandmother i was 16 when she died and wasnt interested in family history then, her full name is on her gravestone, and my grandmothers daughter ivy left a written piece of paper telling her daughter, my cousin, what her grandads name was. but it turns out that william would of been a bit old to of been her father if he was born in 1850 and my grandmother in 1907, unless that was her great grandfather she was talking about and not her father. im confused myself now.

Hi Helen can you please say how you know both parents names please ?



June x

lewella - my god! do you know the date had never even registered with me. yeah now you mention it, it does. maths was never my strong point. i need to take him off my tree now then. ohhhhhh nooooooo what a nightmare lol

If William was born c1850, he was quite old to be having Elizabeth in 1907

clitheroelass - she did but i dont know anything about them at all, names ages nothing. thats why it s been so hard. all i had was her name and her mum and dads name.

clitherolass - im amazed. i really am. on my mothers side i got back to 1700's but my dads side, ie breeze i was at a total loss. thankyou for that sweetheart, helen

Did your grandma have any siblings if so younger or older